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[arch-dev-public] Status Report Reminder
by Aaron Griffin 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

Just a poke for everyone - I'm switching the status reports to every 2 weeks, as it gives us more time to do things. So if you need something to do, take a look there. Thanks to Daniel for doing the legwork for the core rebuild, and Dan for all the pacman bug closing (Special thanks to Nathan Jones here too for all his work). Feel free to email me personally with any issues or whatnot if they come up.

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[arch-dev-public] cleanup testing i686
by Andreas Radke 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

please check what can be removed or moved to core/extra from the ftp/testing/os/i686 folder! i686 aufs-20071017-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz avahi-0.6.19-1.pkg.tar.gz boost-1.34.0-2.pkg.tar.gz celestia-1.4.1-4.pkg.tar.gz codecs-20071007-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz csup-20060318-3-i686.pkg.tar.gz emacs-22.1-1.pkg.tar.gz ffmpeg-20071009-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz fglrx-8.42.3-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz fglrx-utils-8.42.3-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz initscripts-2007.11-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz ivtv-utils-1.0.2-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz jre-6-3.pkg.tar.gz klibc-1.5-3-i686.pkg.tar.gz klibc-extras-2.3-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz klibc-module-init-tools-3.2.2-1-i686...> klibc-udev-116-2-i686.pkg.tar.gz km-0.6.1-1.pkg.tar.gz libgl-7.0.1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz mdadm-2.6.4-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz mesa-7.0.1-1.pkg.tar.gz mkinitcpio-0.5.16-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz mlocate-0.18-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz mplayer-1.0rc2-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz nss-mdns-0.10-1.pkg.tar.gz ntop-3.3-3.1-i686.pkg.tar.gz openchrome-20070903-1.pkg.tar.gz packages.txt pixman-0.9.5-3-i686.pkg.tar.gz renderproto-0.9.3-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz screen-4.0.3-4.pkg.tar.gz synaptics-0.14.6.99-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz testing.db.tar.gz unichrome-dri-7.0.1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-input-acecad-1.2.1-1-i686.pkg.ta..> xf86-input-aiptek-1.0.1-4-i686.pkg.ta..> xf86-input-calcomp-1.1.1-1-i686.pkg.t..> xf86-input-citron-2.2.1-1-i686.pkg.ta..> xf86-input-digitaledge-1.1.0-4-i686.p..> xf86-input-dmc-1.1.1-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-input-dynapro-1.1.1-1-i686.pkg.t..> xf86-input-elo2300-1.1.1-1-i686.pkg.t..> xf86-input-elographics-1.1.0-4-i686.p..> xf86-input-evdev-1.1.5-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-input-fpit-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-input-hyperpen-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg...> xf86-input-jamstudio-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg..> xf86-input-joystick-1.2.3-2-i686.pkg...> xf86-input-keyboard-1.2.2-2-i686.pkg...> xf86-input-magellan-1.1.1-1-i686.pkg...> xf86-input-magictouch-1.0.0.5-5-i686...> xf86-input-microtouch-1.1.1-1-i686.pk..> xf86-input-mouse-1.2.3-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-input-mutouch-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.t..> xf86-input-palmax-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.ta..> xf86-input-penmount-1.2.1-1-i686.pkg...> xf86-input-spaceorb-1.1.1-1-i686.pkg...> xf86-input-summa-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-input-tek4957-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.t..> xf86-input-ur98-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-input-vmmouse-12.4.3-1-i686.pkg...> xf86-input-void-1.1.0-2.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-amd-2.7.7.3-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-apm-1.1.1-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-ark-0.6.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-ati-6.7.195-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-chips-1.1.1-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-cirrus-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.ta..> xf86-video-dummy-0.2.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-fbdev-0.3.1-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-glint-1.1.1-5-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-i128-1.2.1-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-i740-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-i810-1.7.4-6-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-imstt-1.1.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-intel-2.1.1-2-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-mga-1.9.100-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-neomagic-1.1.1-4-i686.pkg...> xf86-video-nv-2.1.6-1-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-rendition-4.1.3-4-i686.pkg..> xf86-video-s3-0.5.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-s3virge-1.9.1-8-i686.pkg.t..> xf86-video-savage-2.1.3-1-i686.pkg.ta..> xf86-video-siliconmotion-1.5.1-4-i686..> xf86-video-sis-0.9.3-5-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-sisusb-0.8.1-4-i686.pkg.ta..> xf86-video-tdfx-1.3.0-6-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-trident-1.2.3-5-i686.pkg.t..> xf86-video-tseng-1.1.1-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-unichrome-0.2.6-6-i686.pkg..> xf86-video-v4l-0.1.1-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-vesa-1.3.0-5-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-vga-4.1.0-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-via-0.2.2-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz xf86-video-vmware-10.15.2-1-i686.pkg...> xf86-video-voodoo-1.1.1-4-i686.pkg.ta..> xorg-server-1.4-4-i686.pkg.tar.gz

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[arch-dev-public] Please fixing and core rebuild (was: rebuilding the whole core repo)
by Daniel Isenmann 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

Hi, this is a summary of the previous mails. The following list should be fixed by the corresponding package maintainer. Try to add license as well to those packages. If some packages not fixed since Saturday, I will do it on my own. After fixing I can rebuild the whole [core] on my own. It's not really much work, runs mostly alone. Ok, here comes the list: core/base packages: ------------------- e2fsprogs: makedepends on 'bc', which is in [extra] gcc-libs: ==> Starting build()... You need the de_DE locale to build gcc. ==> ERROR: Build Failed. Aborting... Jan mentioned it in another mail, so this is ok. glibc: failure on getting source, wrong: ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/glibc-patches-2.7-3.tar.bz2 right: ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/glibc/glibc-patches-2.7-3.tar.bz2 iputils: makedepends on 'jade', which is in [extra] kernel26: wrong md5sum for file config klibc-extras: failure on getting source, wrong: http://ftp.archlinux.org/other/klibc-extras/klibc-extras-2.3.tar.bz2 right: ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/klibc-extras/klibc-extras-2.3.tar.bz2 pacman: makedepend on 'doxygen', which is in [extra] reiserfsprogs: failure on getting source, connection timed out on server syslog-ng: makedepend on 'glib2', which is in [extra] vi: ----snip--- having patch file:7.1.147 having patch file:7.1.148 Number of patches does not match the patchlevel! Edit the PKGBUILD accordingly! ==> ERROR: Build Failed. Aborting... Jan mentioned it in the other email, too. core/lib packages: ------------------ everything builds fine core/devel pacakges: -------------------- fakeroot: source doesn't exists anymore on server gcc: libstdc++-man-4.2.0.tar.bz2 doesn't exists anymore on server core/support packages: ---------------------- bcm43xx-fwcutter: missing arch-tag in PKGBUILD capi4k-utils: compiling fails with errors, maybe of the new gcc/glibc gpm: compiling fails with errors, maybe of the new gcc/glibc madwifi-utils: depends on 'sharutils', which is in [extra] rt2x00-cvs: depends on command 'cvs', which is in [extra] wlan-ng26-utils: compiling fails with errors wlan-ng26: fails, because of missing -util package, see error above That is the list, could every maintainer of the package please have a look at those packages and add missing licenses if needed? On Saturday evening, I'm going to fix those PKGBUILDs on my own and start the first attempt for a complete [core] repo. Because of those dependencies of the packages which are in extra (and we don't want them in core), maybe I can build the dependencies with -b option in makeworld (I have tested it, it works). Any words against the whole process? Daniel

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[arch-dev-public] [signoff] glib2 2.12.3-1
by Jan de Groot 12 Nov '07

12 Nov '07

As brought up during discussions several times, glib2 has been moved to core as it is a makedepend for syslog-ng. Together with the move I updated this one to 2.12.3, which fixes some warnings, updates some documentation which we delete anyways, updates some translations and fixes a memleak. Please signoff for both architectures.

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Re: [arch-dev-public] Migration to QT4
by Pierre Schmitz 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

Am Sonntag, 11. November 2007 20:34:20 schrieb Vinay Shastry: > I have read only access to the list. Hence the personal message. > > On Nov 11, 2007 4:14 PM, Pierre Schmitz <pierre(a)archlinux.de> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I just finished uploading all qt related packages into [testing] (x86_64 > > and i686). > > Oh my qt4 packages!!! all gone! ;-) > > > <snip> > > Next steps: > > * review the qt-4 package: > > * should we add/remove congigure options? > > IMO, don't think so. I've tried to keep all reasonable options turned on. Well I have disabled the nas support. I don't see any reason for an additional sound server. > > > * What are those kde-copy patches? > > ... patches for Qt that haven't been accepted by TrollTech > yet. All patches in this directory itself shouldn't make qt-copy > incompatible to official Qt, patches adding new API etc. belong to the > notsafe/ subdirectory. > http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/qt-copy/patches/README?revision=734649&view=mar >kup > > Please note that these will need constant updating, as we can expect > bugs in qt to be fixed now and then. Thanks for the hint. I should drop a line about this in the next PKGBUILD. > > > * do we need to split it into qt, qt-core and > > qt-qt3support? * currently there is no non-gui package which requires qt, > > so I decided we can do this later > > Yes, I don't know any either, but it's a good thing to split into > core, gui and qt3 support. But since pacman/makepkg doesn't have even > the simplest of splitting functionality, I stopped banging my head on > this. Would be nice to see if someone solves this "elegantly" ;-) Currently there is no elegant solution. If QT does not support the splitting by providing different configure options (at least for qt3support it does) one has to compile the whole stuff three times and remove the garbage. But as I said. This can be done when needed. > > > * Do we need to introduce "legacy" packages for libs like > > pyqt, poppler-qt, qscintilla, qca-tls, qca? > > If we only need them for KDE there should be no problem; > > at least after the switch to KDE4 > > I think it's a good idea to provide "pkgname-qt3" for qt3 stuff, and > just "pkgname" for qt4. > > > Regarding qt3 package, it can be easily fixed so that the usual > ./configure scripts work without any need of sourcing the qt3 profile > from /etc/profile.d, and also calling qmake by full path will work for > qt3 apps. I can help with that if you are interested. Well I figured out that some packages compile fine without the profile but others don't. I would be happy for any suggestions. > > Also, just 1 week in testing seems too less for this... wanna extend a > bit just to be safe? :) Yes, at least one week. I have tested this stuff locally several days or even weeks without any problems. The only problems I currently expect are compile time issues. > > > One more question i have for you is.. why the renaming and trouble of > rebuilding everything? Why not let Qt 3.X be the "qt" package, and we > use "qt4" and "kdefoo4" for Qt 4.x and KDE 4.x series packages? Because it's fun. :-) We normally do not provide several versions of the same package. A lot of projects will switch to qt-4 soon anyway. QT3 will be only for legacy apps and perhaps we even do not need it anymore in future. Of course this is has no strong technical motivation. Pierre -- archlinux.de

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[arch-dev-public] [signoff] fakeroot 1.8.4-1
by Andreas Radke 11 Nov '07

11 Nov '07

please test it a bit more intensiv. those who can please test also if this bug is solved: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8214 see changelog: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/f/fakeroot/fakeroot_1.8.4/c… sign it off if all is fine for you. Andy

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[arch-dev-public] [signoff] glibc 2.7-6
by Andreas Radke 10 Nov '07

10 Nov '07

another day, another glibc... the two broken locales have been fixed. and the weekday patch has been disabled to fix #8530. please signoff Andy

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[arch-dev-public] [Package cleanup] beryl gone
by Thomas Bächler 09 Nov '07

09 Nov '07

Thanks to Danimoth, we now have a stable compiz-fusion release in community, which packages that actually seem to work. He is putting lots of work in maintaining those AFAICS, so the best course of action is to keep the stuff in community under his watch. As it hasn't been maintained for months and there has been a conflict between beryl's and fusion's emerald, I have just dropped beryl from the extra repository. However, the package files are still available at http://www.archlinux.org/~thomas/beryl/i686/ http://www.archlinux.org/~thomas/beryl/x86_64/ They won't be maintained or anything, they will simply sit there for everyone who may still need them.

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[arch-dev-public] [signoff] kernel26 2.6.23.1-7
by Tobias Powalowski 09 Nov '07

09 Nov '07

Hi kernel 2.6.23 for both arches in testing, please signoff this one adresses these bugs: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8549 http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8449 http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8500 - updated mactel patch - updated alsa - updated unionfs - added undervolting patch - added more stable-tree patches greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa(a)archlinux.org

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[arch-dev-public] Status Report: 2007-11-05
by Aaron Griffin 09 Nov '07

09 Nov '07

ArchLinux Status Report, 2007-11-05 =================================== Aaron Griffin (Reviewed by Travis Willard) So, some of you may have noticed there was no Status Report last week. Well, see, I got busy. No one to blame but myself. I _was_ going to get it out on Tuesday, but decided to "roll with it", as it were. So, before we get started, I wanted to get some honest opinions - does doing this every 2 weeks make you guys feel less pestered? One important thing to note: for anyone looking for "something to do", the reason I list a lot of thing here is that I feel we should get them done. If you're looking for things to do, I'd appreciate it if you took a look at this list to see if there's something you can tackle. == Newsworthy Items == * New Logo Competition has begun! The competition for the new Arch logo, spearheaded by Travis, has begun. Full details can be found in this news item: http://archlinux.org/news/359/ * New Newsletter Format Eduardo Romero (kensai) has taken over doing our newsletter, and has changed the format and content. Take a look, and let him know what you think - I, for one, think it's great. Thanks a lot for all the effort Eduardo, and congrats on making a great new new style and layout! == Completed Tasks == * Latest ISO Testing The upcoming 2007.11 ISOs have been in testing for some time now. ftp://ftp.archlinux.org/other/rc-iso/2007.11/ No new show-stoppers have been reported, so I believe we should have new ISOs when Tobias returns from his exams. Yay! * New devtools release This is for all the developers and TUs. We've included a few new features, and two new scripts, in the latest devtools release. Please report any problems or feature requests on the bug tracker. * Xorg 7.3 out of testing Xorg 7.3 has been in testing for about a month now. It's time to move it out there. http://archlinux.org/news/363/ Thanks go out, of course, to Alex for making this happen. * Code projects moved to git All our code projects have officially been moved to our git repos, located at http://projects.archlinux.org/git/ Special thanks to Dan, Simo, and Eliott for carving up CVS and SVN repos to create nice little subsets for specific projects. * cvsup is dead. Long live csup. We've officially replaced cvsup (used by ABS) with csup. There are a handful of reasons, but the biggest one is that cvsup does not compile on x86_64. Thanks to Dan for actually making the move and testing it. * slocate has been replaced by mlocate This has been a long time coming. mlocate is a locate/updatedb implementation that uses a different method of updating the locate database, making it much faster on successive runs. This means your machine isn't going to grind to a halt every night at around midnight, heh. Thanks goes out to James for pushing this one through here, good job. == Pending Tasks, Short Term == * QT4 Move Pierre has proposed a migration plan for moving to QT4. http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2007-November/002910.html This appears to be straightforward, so we should get to this soon! Hooray for progress! * Killing off of /opt According to Jan, the last remaining apps we have in /opt (KDE, OpenOffice, and Mozilla/Firefox) can be safely moved out of /opt and into the /usr tree like everything else. Moving binaries and things out of /opt is going to remove a lot of headache we've had in the past. So for anyone who maintains a package that installs to /opt, see if you can get it to install in /usr instead. * Core rebuild Our core rebuild, due to toolchain changes, is currently waiting for testing to empty. For those developers that have packages sitting in testing, please either try to push them up to the real repo, or remove them from testing if they are old. Andy has started cleanup threads for most of these packages. Please check here to see if you own any of these packages: http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2007-November/002855.html http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2007-November/002856.html * License Updates Travis has created us a _HUGE_ todolist of packages with broken licenses. Please take a look at it and see if you can close out any packages you currently own. http://archlinux.org/todo/43/ Keep in mind that this list contains ONLY packages in the [extra] repo. This means it will not affect the core repo rebuild, but may be affected by the Package Cleanup. * The dividing line: extra and community Another discussion that has gone by the wayside. I'll try to summarize here to see if we can a better idea. The question: when does a package belong in extra? We all agree that we need some sort of "rule" for this. There seems to be two big ideas on how to "answer" this question: a) Split extra into "mantle" and "crust". Mantle contains packages "important to the distro" to be agreed upon by the developers, and crust contains anything else a developer wants to maintain. b) The idea above remains the same, BUT extra is not split at all. The "mantle" packages go to extra, and "crust" packages go to community. So, what do you guys think? Should we vote on these two to get things moving? * Package and Orphan Cleanup Eric has done an amazing job of cleaning up a big wave of packages from extra. All things considered, this is fairly important task, as is affects the "Dividing line" question above, as well as lightening our workload. Eric, what is the next step here - how can we help? * DVD and Additional Package ISO Lists Still not even a peep from people. This is the last time I'm going to include this item on the list. If we don't get any sort of activity or discussion on this, I am going to consider the matter closed. The question: do we want to distribute additional DVDs/CDs full of packages? If so, how do we define what packages are on these things? * Unified chroot build tools The new devtools release has pushed two of these tools out there: mkarchroot, for creating ArchLinux based chroots, and makechrootpkg, for running makepkg inside one of these chroots. Currently, there are a few little bugs floating around, but feel free to report more. The next step is to move to official usage here, so for you developers out there, PLEASE contact me if you have any problems - we should all be building packages in clean chroots to make sure hidden dependencies do not sneak into the packages, and I want to make these tools as easy to use as possible. * DB Scripts Code to git With our SCM backend changing, the DB Scripts rewrite task is no longer a big deal. What we _do need_, however, is our existing code moved out of CVS (and into git, in an ideal world). This way we can use these as examples as we create new scripts for working with our new SCM layout. == Pending Tasks, Long Term == * Perl policy I've moved this one to the long-term section http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8374 Apparently, perl isn't very widely cared about, so this is mostly all up to me, and we all know my freetime is hard to find these days. So, this is on the "hey this is important" list, but there is no rush. * Getting rid of CVS Last time we visted this, we had two potential implementations. The complexity here has to do with representing one package in many repos at the same time. _This_ is the problem that is solved by CVS tags that we need to redefine elsewhere. Jason gave us an example svn implementation that used the following structure: package-name/ PKGBUILD repos/ core/ testing/ blahblah/ Where each directory under repos/ is a new repository that contains a PKGBUILD and all supplemental files that are routinely "synced" with the master files (in the top level directory). Dan gave us a git implementation that uses a similar structure, but uses git's "lightweight branches" in place of the repos/ directory. This also allows us to create rebuild branches and the like very easily. Here is a usage example: git checkout -b foo_rebuild $EDITOR foo/PKGBUILD $EDITOR pkg1/PKGBUILD $EDITOR pkg2/PKGBUILD git commit -a or git checkout -b testing $EDITOR foobar/PKGBUILD git commit -a The branch names above indicate a new repo, which contain only packages that are changed in the new branch. So, I leave the floor open here - what do you guys think? Which is a better solution? I want to open this up to opinion and vote _real_ soon, as this is something we've talked about for so long it's becoming near mythical. * Pacman 3.1 Release http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/8109 Ah, another stagnating task. We've gotten some great patch contributions from the community, and Dan has been rocking with the pacman changes. We'd love to see more testers out there testing the version from git, and possibly confirming some of the "Requires Testing" bugs on the above, so we can close them out. * Official pacbuild usage We have an official git repo for pacbuild sitting here: http://projects.archlinux.org/git/?p=pacbuild.git;a=summary The news here is small, again. Last I heard, Jason is planning on incorporating the new 'mkarchroot' tool from devtools into pacbuild. Anything else, I am unsure of. Jason, would you mind informing us on what needs to be done to get pacbuild running somewhere? I'd like to do _something_ here before this becomes vaporware. * Modernize our Dashboard Ok, we've made some steps. We now have our web code up here: http://projects.archlinux.org/git/?p=archweb.git;a=summary I plan on filling out the README as far as running your own instance goes. >From there, I'd like people to add any and all dashboard related requests to the "Internal Dev" bug tracker, so we can begin closing them out. * Architecture Independent Repos Roman has provided us patches for makepkg on the pacman-dev list. That's step one. The next step is to modify our DB scripts to check for the proper suffix, and run itself for both the i686 and x86_64 repos. This one is a rather small change, is anyone interested in doing this? Thomas? * ArchCon 2009: Big Baaad Idea http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2007-September/001614.html ArchCon is still floating here at the bottom of the list...but it looks like no one is interested anymore. That's sad. No one wants to come visit lil ol' me?

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