On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Daniel Isenmann <daniel.isenmann@gmx.de> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:40:28 -0600 Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Pierre Schmitz <pierre@archlinux.de> wrote:
On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 11:12:30 -0600, Aaron Griffin <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com> wrote:
However, isn't there some legal issues with Moonlight? I saw recently that Microsoft "pledged" not to sue Moonlight users....
There are no issues as software patents do not exist for us. :P
Moonlight is licensed under the GPL. Who cares what patent problems it might have in the US?
Of course this plugin is quite useless anyway (only works with firefox and those few sites using silverlight only seem to support the microsoft implementation). But I am fine with it if Daniel wants to maintain it.
Well, there are those of us here in the US and we do have US users and mirrors. From a reading of the Groklaw piece[1], I see it as "Microsoft can sue any users of the software that did not get Moonlight direct from Novell". The "Downstream Recipients" part of the covenant seems to NOT cover mirrors. This says to me that we'd be opening up our mirrors to being sued for redistribution of patented material.
As for the "Who care's what patent problems it might have in the US?" part - I care. US users care. US mirrors care. We've already taken steps to specifically appease the German audience (remember: we removed Analytics because of some German law), why doesn't this door swing both ways?
1: http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20080528133529454
I have talked to the moonlight developers. The posted covenant on the Microsoft website is the old one. This has been updated some days ago and it's now safe for everyone to use/distribute moonlight without any fear to be sued by Microsoft.
Miguel has blogged about it some days ago: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2009/Dec-17.html
"Microsoft has an updated patent covenant that will covers third party distributions."
Another linked article from Miguel is here which clears the situation even more: http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reports/6932/1/ (Novell Moonlight 2.0 Gets Microsoft's Blessing / Moonlight for all Linux Users):
----snip---- "They can take the source, do any patches they need to do to make sure it integrates with their system, and redistribute the binaries," De Icaza told InternetNews.com. "Anyone can take Moonlight and run it on any platform that they want and they can even modify it without Novell involvement and without the fear that Microsoft might not like that."
While Moonlight itself is open source and now covered by the extended Microsoft patent covenant, the media codecs necessary for audio and video will continue to be treated differently. Moonlight includes the Microsoft Media Pack, which is a set of proprietary codecs that Microsoft has licensed from their own patent holders and makes available to Moonlight users, free of charge. ---snip----
So we should be safe to distribute it and do what we want with the package.
@Aaron: You were right with the old covenant, but with the new one we have nothing to worry about. I will wait with the packaging after they updated the website with the new one.
Well then, my only issue is assuaged. :)