Hi developers and users, As we all know, there's a distribution restriction on sun java. Today we asked at the Sun booth about possibilities for distributing java with our distribution. This solution would come down to entering a process which can take quite some months to get a final approvement. This means that until we would have such a solution, any Sun java we distribute is illegal. This would mean that jdk and jre can't have a place in our distribution at least for the upcoming few months if we choose to apply for a license. If we don't choose to apply for a license, it won't come back either. I would opt for not applying for a license, as it will license us to distribute it, but disallows all forks, livecds or even unofficial architectures of archlinux to do it. As we have GNU java right now supporting java 5.0, I would suggest approving GNU java as the prefered JDK and moving jdk/jre to unsupported. We are allowed to distribute build scripts, but users have to download the java binary themselves and build a package out of that. We leave it up to the user to have a non-free java, we won't force anything (java-environment and java-runtime will always stay runtime dependencies instead of depending on java-gcj-compat). At the final end of this mail I would like to have a word about the so called OpenJDK that was released as GPL: Though this Open JDK has been released as source, the sun provided binary JDK at this moment is anything but GPL. The problem with openjdk is that it needs jdk to get built (gcj is not enough). Also, the released sources are not complete because sun has licensing restrictions with 3rd parties themselves. This means we can't switch to Sun's free OpenJDK yet. At this moment Redhat has plans to stop further active development of gcj in their distribution and put their manpower in openjdk, to get it built with free tools and to extend the missing parts with pieces from other javas like GNU java. When this project is usable enough to replace java-gcj-compat as we have it now, it will enter the distribution and become the blessed Java SDK/runtime.