Kernel maintaining is not easy (as probably those who done it know) , the main effort of the kernel is to satisfy the needs of the users/developers hardware and features. it's not about vanilla and or not vanilla it *HAS TO WORK* and must be maintainable in a reasonable amount of time, thats the real thing of a kernel. If something breaks it must be fixed or removed, plain simple. (my opinion) A maintainer of a package, who does the real work on it, reads bugreports, looks for fixes, tries to get a better package than others and tries to add userfriendlieness seems to not fit to the arch philosophy anymore, should probably do something else. If you say it must be plain vanilla as kernel.org is, go ahead do it, but without me. All this bikeshedding lately about everything isn't much fun and i don't need that. /me disappears and takes a full timeout for an uncertain amount of time. have fun guys, greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org