On 5/2/19 11:38 pm, Bruno Pagani wrote:
Maybe. As I said in my answer to Bartłomiej, I don’t know if beginners know enough things to install what they need beyond the minimum system, or if they just read the wiki about doing this or that, which might assume they have the current base group installed.
If only the wiki wasn't a static document, and could be updated after any change was made... Even then I am fairly sure people wanting to set-up LVM can install the lvm package. But I see "competent Linux user" has been removed from the front page, so maybe we target idiots these days.
If we remove the excess from base, then we are down to a very small difference between that and archlinux-system. Only e2fsprogs, man, and an editor different?
So I see the proposed archlinux-system group being essentially what base should be.
That is because you see base as the minimal system. So I’ll turn this differently: do you have objections against having, outside of the minimal meta-package described in our proposal, a packages group of “relatively standard” tools, that is purposed at beginner wanting to have only one simple pacstrap command to issue in order to get started?
Or put it yet another way: outside of this base group, does our proposal of a minimal metapackage suits you? If so, why does it matter to you that there is also a base group, provided the name is not subject to confusion, that has this metapackage plus other tools (that e.g. people coming from random other distro would expect to have at hand from the start), knowing that you would likely have almost no interactions with this group? If not, then I’m even more importantly waiting for your comments.
I don't object to redefining the minimal set of packages we expect installed and making it a metapackage. Currently base is bloated, and a metapackage makes some sense. archlinux-system - minimal set of packages base-devel - collection of utilities most people expect installed So where does that leave base? base - a smaller collection of utilities most people expect installed I see redundancy being created. That is what I object to. Allan