Hi, I'm stepping down as last remaining releng member. It's not so much lack of time, it's more about lack of mental energy/interest. Some other devs (and Gerardo) are already taking good care of archiso, Thomas manages to patch up the releng scripts every time they break, and now there's some interest in installer scripts again, so I guess now is a good time for me to throw the towel. I've been pondering doing this for already a long time, I even wrote a few resignation mails at some points, but always discarded them before sending.
AIF is arguably an over-engineered piece of software, but only because it aimed to make it "dead-easy" for users to do installations - even complicated ones - (and not just interactive, but also automated ones) which I still think is a noble goal worth pursuing, but we're too small of a team to maintain it, and me being the only one who understands it doesn't help either. If it would have been written in python it could have been more elegant and simple and might have had a very different life (with more interest from the community/other devs). I've definitely learned a lot from it, and have a bunch of ideas on how things can be done better if one would like to pursue the goals that aif pursues, but lack the interest in devoting more energy. Although I might be interested to help out if others take the lead.
I would like to thank everyone who's ever contributed to Arch Linux in one way or another (some of you guys are very dedicated), There's also the guys at (open)suse who are doing lovely projects (mirrorbrain, autoinst, openQA, ...) and who have tried to work with us, I regret not being able to giving them the attention they deserve. (there's the autobuilds, the openQA automatic tests, the iso feedback webapp, which are by themselves useful but we haven't been able so far to tie them together. I still think we can achieve the autobuild+autotest+autorelease system I know some of us are dreaming of)
I also look back happily on speaking with everyone in the AL community I've ever met, I never met somebody I didn't like. My personal hilights being Froscon 2009 (http://dieter.plaetinck.be/froscon_2009_afterthoughts -- check the picture of Gerhard and I!) and Archcon 2010 (http://dieter.plaetinck.be/back_from_canada_archcon.html) which was not only great for the Arch love, my trip to Canada was one of the best trips of my life, and I got to meet Dusty, who I now consider a close personal friend.
good luck with AL and with your personal lives.
Dieter
Hi Dieter,
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Dieter Plaetinck dieter@plaetinck.be wrote:
I'm stepping down as last remaining releng member.
I'm sorry to see you go. Thanks for all your work on Arch!
Cheers,
Tom
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 11:27 AM, Tom Gundersen teg@jklm.no wrote:
Hi Dieter,
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 6:03 PM, Dieter Plaetinck dieter@plaetinck.be wrote:
I'm stepping down as last remaining releng member.
I'm sorry to see you go. Thanks for all your work on Arch!
Cheers,
Tom
Thanks for your work in releng.
I wish you the best of luck in your next endeavours.
On 14 July 2012 22:03, Dieter Plaetinck dieter@plaetinck.be wrote:
Hi, I'm stepping down as last remaining releng member. It's not so much lack of time, it's more about lack of mental energy/interest. Some other devs (and Gerardo) are already taking good care of archiso, Thomas manages to patch up the releng scripts every time they break, and now there's some interest in installer scripts again, so I guess now is a good time for me to throw the towel. I've been pondering doing this for already a long time, I even wrote a few resignation mails at some points, but always discarded them before sending.
AIF is arguably an over-engineered piece of software, but only because it aimed to make it "dead-easy" for users to do installations - even complicated ones - (and not just interactive, but also automated ones) which I still think is a noble goal worth pursuing, but we're too small of a team to maintain it, and me being the only one who understands it doesn't help either. If it would have been written in python it could have been more elegant and simple and might have had a very different life (with more interest from the community/other devs). I've definitely learned a lot from it, and have a bunch of ideas on how things can be done better if one would like to pursue the goals that aif pursues, but lack the interest in devoting more energy. Although I might be interested to help out if others take the lead.
I would like to thank everyone who's ever contributed to Arch Linux in one way or another (some of you guys are very dedicated), There's also the guys at (open)suse who are doing lovely projects (mirrorbrain, autoinst, openQA, ...) and who have tried to work with us, I regret not being able to giving them the attention they deserve. (there's the autobuilds, the openQA automatic tests, the iso feedback webapp, which are by themselves useful but we haven't been able so far to tie them together. I still think we can achieve the autobuild+autotest+autorelease system I know some of us are dreaming of)
I also look back happily on speaking with everyone in the AL community I've ever met, I never met somebody I didn't like. My personal hilights being Froscon 2009 (http://dieter.plaetinck.be/froscon_2009_afterthoughts -- check the picture of Gerhard and I!) and Archcon 2010 (http://dieter.plaetinck.be/back_from_canada_archcon.html) which was not only great for the Arch love, my trip to Canada was one of the best trips of my life, and I got to meet Dusty, who I now consider a close personal friend.
good luck with AL and with your personal lives.
Dieter
Yes, thanks for all your work Dieter. You've been there for some cool stuff from as far back as I can remember. Take care of yourself, and good luck with RL.
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Am 14.07.2012 18:03, schrieb Dieter Plaetinck:
Hi, I'm stepping down as last remaining releng member. It's not so much lack of time, it's more about lack of mental energy/interest. Some other devs (and Gerardo) are already taking good care of archiso, Thomas manages to patch up the releng scripts every time they break, and now there's some interest in installer scripts again, so I guess now is a good time for me to throw the towel. I've been pondering doing this for already a long time, I even wrote a few resignation mails at some points, but always discarded them before sending.
I want to thank you for hard work on Arch and AIF. You really were an essential part of Arch and it is sad to see you leave the project entirely. But of course, once it has become more burden than fun it's no longer worth it. I had made a similar decision some time ago when I dropped a bunch of my packages and started working on other projects.
AIF is arguably an over-engineered piece of software, but only because it aimed to make it "dead-easy" for users to do installations
- even complicated ones - (and not just interactive, but also
automated ones) which I still think is a noble goal worth pursuing, but we're too small of a team to maintain it, and me being the only one who understands it doesn't help either. If it would have been written in python it could have been more elegant and simple and might have had a very different life (with more interest from the community/other devs). I've definitely learned a lot from it, and have a bunch of ideas on how things can be done better if one would like to pursue the goals that aif pursues, but lack the interest in devoting more energy. Although I might be interested to help out if others take the lead.
AIF is a huge task for sure; especially with more possible options of partitioning, filesystems and volume management added all the time. It's a shame our community never was able to assemble an actual team working on this and you ended up alone. We benefit a lot from your work here and still will even if it seems like we were going a completely different route now.
I also look back happily on speaking with everyone in the AL community I've ever met, I never met somebody I didn't like. My personal hilights being Froscon 2009 (http://dieter.plaetinck.be/froscon_2009_afterthoughts -- check the picture of Gerhard and I!) and Archcon 2010 (http://dieter.plaetinck.be/back_from_canada_archcon.html) which was not only great for the Arch love, my trip to Canada was one of the best trips of my life, and I got to meet Dusty, who I now consider a close personal friend.
If it wasn't for you we wouldn't have all met at FOSDEM this year I guess. We had a great time and I hope you are still around and we'll meet again some day.
Greetings and a big Thank You,
Pierre
On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 11:03 AM, Dieter Plaetinck dieter@plaetinck.be wrote:
Hi, I'm stepping down as last remaining releng member.
Always sad to see people go, but just wanted to thank you for your time and contributions along the way. Your ambition was as large or larger than any I saw around here between UZBL and rethinking the installer.
Archcon 2010 (http://dieter.plaetinck.be/back_from_canada_archcon.html) which was not only great for the Arch love, my trip to Canada was one of the best trips of my life, and I got to meet Dusty, who I now consider a close personal friend.
That was a great experience for me as well and was happy to meet up with you and everyone else that attended. Hope you're not a stranger at any future meetup of Arch people that you're in the vicinity of.
-Dan
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