Van: arch-dev-public-bounces@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-dev-public- bounces@archlinux.org] Namens Eric Belanger Verzonden: dinsdag 27 november 2007 8:31 Aan: arch-dev-public@archlinux.org Onderwerp: [arch-dev-public] Third list of removal candidates genius Roman: it's a gnome app. Description: Advanced calculator

Wasn't genius still maintained? It's on my list to-update applications when I get to updating gnome packages again

gnome-audio audio files for gnome. Part of gnome-extra group. Any takers? Jan? Roman?

I'll take it, it doesn't need any maintenance as it never gets updated. Not sure about it future though, but we'll see by the time GNOME decides to replace it (there's a discussion about sounds on desktop-devel-list)

libgnomesu gksu and kdesu provide same functionality AFAIK it's "needed" by gnome-system-monitor, but it could be libgksu that is required by that thing. I'll maintain it if there's a package in extra that needs it.

nss_ldap Description: The nss_ldap module provides the means for pam_ldap Description: The pam_ldap module provides the means for I use it on my arch box. If nobody wants to maintain it, I'll do.

pdns-ldap unused lib, might be included in pdns (currently orphaned) pdns-mysql unused lib, might be included in pdns (currently orphaned) pdns-pgsql unused lib, might be included in pdns (currently orphaned) pdns-recursor Description: PowerDNS recursor I'll update powerdns soon and merge the pdns-* things in it. Pdns-recursor stays standalone. Don't remove it, powerdns is pretty useless without a recursor for most people.

perl-email-date unused perl module. To Jan: You added it to the repo It was added as dependency to some other perl module. I don't add perl modules for fun.

vbetool Description: vbetool uses lrmi in order to run code from Used by pm-utils AFAIK.

Eric Belanger wrote:

Hi,

Here is the third sublist. It contains the packages from the second list that for which no decision has been made plus the remaining orphans in the wiki list. There might be a fourth sublist if there are still some stray orphans remaining.

If you think a package should be kept or disagree about the comments, say it so. If you think all these packages can be removed, also say it so. If you want to adopt one of these packages, please adopt it through the dashboard and let me know.

====================================== jpilot Description: A desktop organizer application for the palm pilot

Adopted.

mod_python used on Archlinux.org for django?

Adopted. - P

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Varun Acharya wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007 1:01 PM, Eric Belanger wrote:

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idesk Description: idesk plops icons down on your root window (desktop).

I don't use a minimal WM anymore, but isn't this the only way to get icons onto your desktop in fluxbox/blackbox? I can't adopt this because I don't use it at all, and testing it will be tough. I also remember this didn't work the last time I tried on 64bit. Takers, anyone?

Varun

I don't use it but I think that rox can put icons on the desktop. Can someone confirm? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

On Nov 27, 2007 5:22 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

On Nov 27, 2007 1:31 AM, Eric Belanger wrote:

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jetty Description: A full-fledged production-grade lightweight Java Servlet Container Ugh? Isn't this a big deal with the java people? Dan can you provide some insight here?

Simo's maintaining tomcat (I think) which is really the only JSP/JSC application I've used. I doubt many devs want to maintain this, so no reason it shouldn't drop down to community where it might actually find a maintainer. -Dan

On Nov 27, 2007 5:53 PM, Simo Leone wrote:

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:31:12PM -0600, Dan McGee wrote:

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On Nov 27, 2007 5:22 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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On Nov 27, 2007 1:31 AM, Eric Belanger wrote:

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jetty Description: A full-fledged production-grade lightweight Java Servlet Container Ugh? Isn't this a big deal with the java people? Dan can you provide some insight here?

Simo's maintaining tomcat (I think) which is really the only JSP/JSC application I've used. I doubt many devs want to maintain this, so no reason it shouldn't drop down to community where it might actually find a maintainer.

Yes. The only reason I picked it up was because I had a teacher playing around with it a bit, and I figured it was a big enough project to interest enough people to throw in Extra. I don't really care where it goes.

Heh, I meant jetty and not tomcat when saying it should be dropped down to community. Do what you want with it though. -Dan

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Varun Acharya wrote:

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On Nov 27, 2007 1:01 PM, Eric Belanger wrote:

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idesk Description: idesk plops icons down on your root window (desktop).

I don't use a minimal WM anymore, but isn't this the only way to get icons onto your desktop in fluxbox/blackbox? I can't adopt this because I don't use it at all, and testing it will be tough. I also remember this didn't work the last time I tried on 64bit. Takers, anyone?

Varun

I don't use it but I think that rox can put icons on the desktop. Can someone confirm? ro can draw the desktop and can be configured to do a couple of things

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Eric Belanger wrote: like showning hiden windows as icons etc. rox does not save files on the Desktop instead it creates symlinks to them -T

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Tobias Kieslich wrote:

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Eric Belanger wrote:

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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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mod_python used on Archlinux.org for django? Hmm, is mod_python no longer used with python webapps? Or is it more common (read: bleeding edge) to run them standalone ala rails?

Paul has adopted it so it's no longer in the list.

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wxpython Description: A wxWidgets GUI toolkit for Python. Are you *sure* this isn't a dep anywhere? I thought wxpython was used in quite a lot of places

wxpython is only being used by a couple of community packages. Maybe you are confusing it with wxgtk? This situation is tricky. I (kindof) maintain wxwidgets(as wxgtk is officiall called) and wxpython is usually a bit ahead and ships it's own version of wxwidgets(mostly snapshots), which installs in the same place a a normal wxwidgets. So the wxpython people usually wanna have their best and latest wxwidgets installed but that conflicts with the normal wxwidgets. To make matters worse, there is a *&%^load of programs out there that usually don't build with the latest wxwidgets which means we have to either patch them or have to wait with the wxwidgets update.

If wxpython goes to community I can see people bitching (wx in extra must be updated right now, etc) or alternatively wxpython "providing" wxwidgets which will actually break a bunch of apps from extra.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to get rid of wxpython in extra, but reality is, if wxwidgets and wxpython AND a good bunch of the wx(gtk) based apps are not mnaintained by the same maintainer there will be trouble ahead.

Solutions welcome.

-T

If that's the case, to minimize headaches, wxpython should remain in extra with wxgtk and both should be maintained by the same maintainer. If no one is interested in them, I guess I could adopt both as it a depends for gnuplot which I use quite a lot. Eric -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

2007/11/27, Eric Belanger :

Hi,

Here is the third sublist. It contains the packages from the second list that for which no decision has been made plus the remaining orphans in the wiki list. There might be a fourth sublist if there are still some stray orphans remaining.

If you think a package should be kept or disagree about the comments, say it so. If you think all these packages can be removed, also say it so. If you want to adopt one of these packages, please adopt it through the dashboard and let me know.

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[skipping gnome packages that Jan answered about]

evms Description: Enterprise Volume Management System I don't know who uses it but it's kinda important package.

giftoxic Description: A GTK frontend for the giFT daemon It's from 2003. giFT and OpenFT are from 2004 and 2005. Oldies... :-)

gpart Description: Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a PC-type hard disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is damaged Testdisk rules here, gpart is not needed. I've recovered >50 HDDs with Testdisk (DOS version, using since v4.1 IIRC) and it only improves with each version.

hnb Description: hierarchical notebook (hnb) is a curses program to structure many kinds of data in one place Pretty interesting app for plain text console lovers. Maybe I will maintain it in Unsupported.

httrack Description: HTTrack is an easy-to-use offline browser utility. Adopted.

ipvsadm Description: The IP Virtual Server administration utility Same category as evms - useful, but I don't know who uses it.

irda-utils Utilities for infrared communication between devices: should be kept Should be kept.

kdesu provide same functionality

libidl unused lib libsvg unused lib Aren't they just non-specified depends? Names sound like they are/was important somewhere.

mrtg Description: Multi Router Traffic Grapher. This is used on many servers (at least in "ISP department" where I work), I think it should stay in Extra.

pan Description: A powerful Newsgroup Article reader based on GTK2 Adopted by Eric. :-)

powernowd Do we need it? We already have cpudyn and cpufreq. As a decision been made? Not needed. We have all needed modules in kernel and cpufrequtils to make them usable. (see comments in previous thread)

revelation Description: Password manager for the GNOME 2 desktop Adopted.

sharpconstruct Description: A real-time modeller for 3D sculpt models Adopted. It's no longer developed, so I will move it to unsupported once it won't work/build anymore.

-- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)

On Thu, 2007-11-29 at 14:09 +0200, Roman Kyrylych wrote:

2007/11/27, Eric Belanger :

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evms Description: Enterprise Volume Management System I don't know who uses it but it's kinda important package.

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giftoxic Description: A GTK frontend for the giFT daemon It's from 2003. giFT and OpenFT are from 2004 and 2005. Oldies... :-)

I won't cry if we drop the gift set of packages. No updates in years.

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gpart Description: Gpart is a tool which tries to guess the primary partition table of a PC-type hard disk in case the primary partition table in sector 0 is damaged Testdisk rules here, gpart is not needed. I've recovered >50 HDDs with Testdisk (DOS version, using since v4.1 IIRC) and it only improves with each version.

-- K. Piche

On Wed, 28 Nov 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:

On Nov 28, 2007 12:52 AM, Eric Belanger wrote:

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If that's the case, to minimize headaches, wxpython should remain in extra with wxgtk and both should be maintained by the same maintainer. If no one is interested in them, I guess I could adopt both as it a depends for gnuplot which I use quite a lot.

I can adopt wxpython if needs be - I use it at work for some things, though that's on win32.

I've adopted both wxgtk and wxpython. If they give me too much trouble, I'll ask for help. ;) -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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On Thu, 29 Nov 2007, Roman Kyrylych wrote:

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kdesu provide same functionality

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libidl unused lib libsvg unused lib Aren't they just non-specified depends? Names sound like they are/was important somewhere.

I guess that libgnomesu was also in your above list. The libgnomesu package has the gnomesu utility which does the same thing as gksu or kdesu. That might be an incentive to keep it in the repo if someone wants to maintain it.

Libgnomesu was imported into the repositories for gnome-cups-manager. I was against adding it, though I had no option: replacing the su helper to gksu didn't work those days. Gnome-cups-manager seems to depend on a "gnomesu" package now, which also provides this binary. I think we can remove libgnomesu.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2007 at 05:22:56PM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:

speedtouch modem drivers, should be kept

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tiacx (in unstable) wireless drivers, should be kept tiacx-mm (in unstable) wireless drivers, should be kept If no one has any of this hardware, maybe we can "spread the love" around and just adopt them for the sake of it?

There's been more up to date patches elsewhere for a while. tiacx was in -mm, and there might have been a rewrite somewhere around for the new wireless frameworks. Havn't looked since I stopped maintaining beyond, so I've got no idea of the status now.

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wxpython Description: A wxWidgets GUI toolkit for Python. Are you *sure* this isn't a dep anywhere? I thought wxpython was used in quite a lot of places

I'll take it if nobody wants it

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zsh very popular. iphitus will adopt if nobody else will Someone want to adopt this and get it off the list? Jeff? James?

Jeff actually uses it, so he's a better maintainer.

vbetool

I use this in my own suspend script. It's used in other scripts too. It fixes problems with various laptop displays not returning. I'll adopt. Cheers! James

Eric Belanger wrote:

httptunnel Description: httptunnel creates a bidirectional virtual Adopted, for sentimental reasons :)

tiacx (in unstable) wireless drivers, should be kept tiacx-mm (in unstable) wireless drivers, should be kept Adopted. I don't have the hardware, but jra pokes me everytime it needs an update, and then tests it. Current out-of-tree version is still the only reliable one, but an in-kernel mac80211-ish rewrite is in the works.

T.