On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 3:54 AM, Tobias Powalowski <t.powa@gmx.de> wrote:

Am Mittwoch, 26. März 2008 schrieb Pierre Schmitz:

Beside from the above, Depends on how long it takes that some people come back to a sane way in treating each other persons. People just speaking about principels, don't know why things might be good and just talk about plain not patched vanilla stuff, without even thinking what the result would be. I never saw someone, hey your kernel blowed my machine away, because you added patch xyz. Good Hardware support seems not to be needed, because all needs to be done upstream and/or praised by the arch overlords, that don't do anything to make the kernel better, just ranting about why you do that etc. I remember the discussion about adding squashfs and the other filesystems, i rejected to add it first i was flamed for it, because you needed them to do your holy development work. Now im flamed for every little patch, which helps some people to get their hardware work properly. Luckily my hardware is supported by the normal kernel modules, you will hit others with not supporting their hardware, which would be quite easy to achive sometimes and doesn't hurt users that don't have the hardware. You will lose user friendlyness, but you don't care about them anyway, and if your system doesn't work you can fix it yourself, this is your non diplomatic interpretation of the so called ARCH WAY. I can spend my free time on better tasks, instead of listening to your rants and mostly unproductive criticism all the time, do it better or let the people that know how to handle this important part of a distro do their work.

About your treatment with the ISOs I don't want to say much, slapping someone in the face is nice, thanks for this.

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Have fun, (you should really link the Frustration thread from dev ml to normal general mailinglist to keep some fun for the users ;) too ) I hope things change to a better place, with respect to each other. love, peace and penguins

greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org

HI Tobias, Though I'm not actively maintaining packages, I understand that Arch is going through a difficult time now reading the ML. I have faith in this community though, and I'm sure that once all the initial finger pointing is done (everyone's human :-) , we will work together to resolve whatever issues we have with each other and the "Arch Way ™". I've always admired your skill, and hope you'll be back soon. For the record, I like the way you maintain the kernel :), and I think hardware support out of the box is awesome. And as for other issues regarding the "Arch Way ™", I think they're relatively small and will get resolved soon. I wish you the best for your marriage. I'll contact you a few years into the future when its time for me to get married to concoct a formula with your pharmaceutical skills to make the girl I marry like Linux too :) (or at least one that makes her projectile vomit if she uses Windows) Regards, Dr. Varun Acharya