[arch-dev-public] To the developers that went to froscon 09
Hi guys, I know some of you went to froscon, and did enjoyed the experience a lot. I am here asking, if any of you developers could write a text about froscon, the experience, who you met, and how it all went overall. Nothing too fancy, it will in fact feature as an article in the Arch Linux Magazine, it would be appreciated if you could have some photos as well. Contact me if you are able to take on it. Preferably a developer, but in the event that no developer can get to it, a trusted user could do. Thanks for your interest as always, Eduardo Romero "kensai"
Eduardo Romero schrieb:
I know some of you went to froscon, and did enjoyed the experience a lot. I am here asking, if any of you developers could write a text about froscon, the experience, who you met, and how it all went overall. Nothing too fancy, it will in fact feature as an article in the Arch Linux Magazine, it would be appreciated if you could have some photos as well. Contact me if you are able to take on it.
Preferably a developer, but in the event that no developer can get to it, a trusted user could do.
Thanks for your interest as always,
First of all, thanks for _your_ interest. Daniel, Roman and Jens made tons of photos, so we should get those soon. I can offer a group picture for now: http://archlinux.me/brain0/2009/08/22/hello-from-froscon-2009/ Not a real text, but I can tell you some things: First of all, I finally met Roman and I met Dieter, which I was really looking forward to. Also, we installed our machines several times, so I got a good look at AIF, and apart from some minor bugs that we found, it is awesome and it's definitely a major improvement to what we had before. We got rid of about 90 CDs I think, so I would like to thank all Arch donators for making those possible. As every year, we met Simon from the Openoffice community and according to Andy, it seems like they are taking Arch pretty seriously these days. We got personally invited by some Ubuntu guy to the OpenRheinRuhr, which is a small conference in November which iirc takes place for the first time this year. But the most interesting talk I had was with a Debian contributor, and you'll hear more about that from me soon. He asked if we had a science team with special interest in scientific packages, which we don't, but otherwise he would have wanted to exchange experiences. Then he asked about how we manage our packages and if/how we use source code management for it. http://www.vcs-pkg.org/ is a some cross-distro effort in that direction and is currently a wiki connecting info about different workflows in distributions, so I told him I would add a section about how Arch manages the repositories. He also told me about a project on http://patches.debian.net (the site was down at the time) which is aiming at providing a portal where patches from all distributions are collected, so others can find them more easily and it's easier to see who does what. He asked whether it would be possible to provide some way for Arch so that this information is automatically submitted. I was definitely intersted in that. The most interesting thing was a Debian Enhancement Proposal at http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/: It is about providing a standard format for adding metadata to unified diff files. This is extremely interesting and I am definitely interested in having such metadata in all patches we add to the Arch repositories. Just read the proposal and see what it includes. This would be especially useful with the cross-distro patch project mentioned above. He told me not to hesitate to write thoughts about improvements to the other of the DEP so this could maybe become a standard format that is not limited to Debian, but could be used for all patches that you will find on the Internet. I told him that I would bring these things up on our mailing lists and that I am definitely interested in those. That's the most important things I remember right now, I guess the others also have things to say (for example Roman talked to lots of people). See what you can make of it and have a nice evening Thomas
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 21:18, Eduardo Romero<k3nsai@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys,
I know some of you went to froscon, and did enjoyed the experience a lot. I am here asking, if any of you developers could write a text about froscon, the experience, who you met, and how it all went overall. Nothing too fancy, it will in fact feature as an article in the Arch Linux Magazine, it would be appreciated if you could have some photos as well. Contact me if you are able to take on it.
Preferably a developer, but in the event that no developer can get to it, a trusted user could do.
Thanks for your interest as always,
Hi! I'm in 404 Hostel (fun name :P) in Köln (Cologne) at the moment (BTW it's probably one of the best in the world, I can already recommend it).
From my point of view the event was awesome! First of all - I finally managed to get there (and even convinced my company to cover the cost of plane tickets :-P) though the road from Dortmund to a hostel in Bonn, and from Sankt Augustin to the hostel in Köln was a jorney.
We spent really nice time there both during the day and during "social event" (I leave it to the other devs to say something about the horilka (vodka)! :-P). We did some talks about Arch for the visitors of our booth (especially Thomas who spent quite alot of time on that), helped to install Arch on several visitors' laptops, communicated with people from other projects (I discovered one young but very interesting project that I may even contribute to, as soon as I really try it), gave away FrOSCon Edition CDs (at the very end I even had to give out one of two CDs I left for myself). I've even managed to visit two English-language talks. I and Dieter had not easy time among >95% German-speaking people, but most people spoke English well as soon as you told them that you're one of the few people here that don't understand Gernan. :-) Visiting other projects' booths was very interesting for me, I had some nice talks and shared addresses with some people. And during the "social event" we had quite long talks about everything util late night. I got a collection of CDs/DVDs with FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenSolaris for installing in VirtualBox for testing my pet project on different platforms. I also made some photos which I will upload somewhere tomorrow in the evening (don't have much time and energy now). To summarize - that was very well spent two days, with lots of activity, communications and feedback. I'm looking forward for the next event, be it FrOSCon or some other FOSS conference where we can be present. Oh, and we really must do ArchCon somewhere during the next Summer. ;-) -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:03 PM, Roman Kyrylych<roman.kyrylych@gmail.com> wrote:
I've even managed to visit two English-language talks. I and Dieter had not easy time among >95% German-speaking people, but most people spoke English well as soon as you told them that you're one of the few people here that don't understand Gernan. :-)
Nein Deutsch! (You know, I always accidentally say 'niet' when trying to say 'no' in german)
Am Sonntag 23 August 2009 21:42:13 schrieb Thomas Bächler:
I guess the others also have things to say
Maybe I'll have time to write something up someday but I have to agree that there were a lot of interesting talks. Compared to the last two years it was really noticable that we are getting a bigger project and popularity has increased a lot. Most people had heard or read about Arch and a surprising big number of developers use Arch themself or know it quite well. I tried to talk to most projects I am interested in. Of course I spend some time at the KDE/Qt/Amarok booth and discussed about the phonon mess, nepomuk, improvements in KDE etc.. I have had talks with guys from Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, FreeBSD and others I just forgot atm. It's really interesting to see differences and especially those things that we have in common. (Thomas already mentioned it and according to my talks we might be able to share more experiences with Fedora, Gentoo and probably even more with BSD) I might have more to tell later. Summing things up this conference is more about communication and fun instead of sitting in front of your notebook and hack; in fact there was no real need to carry my computer with me. And last but not least is was just two short. :-) -- Pierre Schmitz, http://users.archlinux.de/~pierre
Thomas Bächler wrote:
He also told me about a project on http://patches.debian.net (the site was down at the time) which is aiming at providing a portal where patches from all distributions are collected, so others can find them more easily and it's easier to see who does what. He asked whether it would be possible to provide some way for Arch so that this information is automatically submitted. I was definitely intersted in that. The most interesting thing was a Debian Enhancement Proposal at http://dep.debian.net/deps/dep3/: It is about providing a standard format for adding metadata to unified diff files. This is extremely interesting and I am definitely interested in having such metadata in all patches we add to the Arch repositories. Just read the proposal and see what it includes. This would be especially useful with the cross-distro patch project mentioned above. He told me not to hesitate to write thoughts about improvements to the other of the DEP so this could maybe become a standard format that is not limited to Debian, but could be used for all patches that you will find on the Internet. I told him that I would bring these things up on our mailing lists and that I am definitely interested in those.
This is very interesting. Adding some metadata to our patches has been something I have been meaning to propose every since I realized how helpful the information at the top of patches in LFS is. At the moment, it is very difficult to tell what some of our patchs do unless you are familiar with the package. Cross-distro patch management sounds an awesome idea to me. Allan
Am Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:42:13 +0200 schrieb Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org>:
As every year, we met Simon from the Openoffice community and according to Andy, it seems like they are taking Arch pretty seriously these days.
Yes, we are getting known more and more as a serious upgrowing major project. I've talked a lot to Simon about OOo in general. At the social event I met the lead community communicator for OOo. She is trying to get all OOo packagers together and wants to find out where differences are in the various ways we package OOo and how it does affect the end user product and its quality. And I also talked to Rene, the Debian OOo packager. I've learned a lot what's possible to do with one package. But I think I will never write a 3k line buildscript for just one package :D I also had talks with Fedora guys (their Xfce packager) and had a look at a running Gnome shell that will probably be the major feature in Gnome 3.0. And I've visited a talk about openjdk from a Sun guy. But quickly left the java track right after that simple project introduction :) It was a lot of fun and nice to meet you guys. And now my little hacking dog is so tired that he can't lift his had anymore. Cu all next year. -Andy
OMG, I didn't expect that, you guys gave a lot of good writing that could make a very big and exciting article in the magazine, I will be contacting all of you, after I get to it and see how we can improve it with more insight. Keep at it if you have more material. And Pierre, if you want to write something, that would be awesome.
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Datum: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:55:50 -0400 Von: Eduardo Romero <k3nsai@gmail.com> An: Public mailing list for Arch Linux development <arch-dev-public@archlinux.org> Betreff: Re: [arch-dev-public] To the developers that went to froscon 09
OMG, I didn't expect that, you guys gave a lot of good writing that could make a very big and exciting article in the magazine, I will be contacting all of you, after I get to it and see how we can improve it with more insight. Keep at it if you have more material. And Pierre, if you want to write something, that would be awesome.
As Thomas said, I have made tons of pictures and you can find some (not all) here: http://ise.net23.net/Froscon_2009 Like the others I talked to different people of other projects. I talked a little bit to some lxde guys, one of them recommend Arch Linux to use lxde. :) We are getting more and more attention from users and other projects. Lots of people was coming and told us, that they heard about Arch Linux and want to know now what exactly it can and how it works. I really enjoyed it to met Dieter, Roman and Gerhard for the first time. It's always better if you meet the people you are working with. We should really organize a ArchCon in the near future. You can discuss some things even better if you are face-to-face. In summary: it was a great weekend with a great social event (thanks Roman for your present ;) and thanks Dieter for your present (I didn't tried it yet, but I will let you know how it tasted) ;) ). I really looking forward to see you guys on a next event, whatever event that will be. Daniel -- Neu: GMX Doppel-FLAT mit Internet-Flatrate + Telefon-Flatrate für nur 19,99 Euro/mtl.!* http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/dsl02
- I finally met some Arch people woohoo. Especially meeting my "work partner" Gerhard was something I looked forward too. It was nice to see that some people drove 4+ hours (dog, Andy & his wife) or even came by plane (Roman) - Daniel I think you forgot your froscon poster? - Roman snores a lot, but luckily I had no troubles falling asleep (I did get woken up waay too early, damn you guys ;-) - There were some interesting talks and booths, but I think fosdem in Belgium is a lot better in this regard. But it's location is less optimal for most Arch people :( maybe next year? - free catering and shit was cool. The krollsh (or whatever it was called) beer deserves it reputation - a few people also told me they had tried / were using uzbl (my browser project) so that was really cool. - I had an interesting chat with the author of FAI (a tool to automatically mass-install systems, mostly debian). I've used it in the past and was somewhat inspired by it when building AIF. (but there are a few fundamental conceptual differences, I'm not a wheel-reinventer ;) - Thomas (if you ever discuss with this guy, expect a 90:10 listen-talk ratio, he has some symptons of hyperactivity ;-) tried aif and found some things that can be improved. I learned a bit more about the lvm and encryption hooks in the early userspace, which was really interesting. I'll be expecting lots of patches now :P Dieter
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Datum: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:22:09 +0200 Von: Dieter Plaetinck <dieter@plaetinck.be> An: Public mailing list for Arch Linux development <arch-dev-public@archlinux.org> Betreff: Re: [arch-dev-public] To the developers that went to froscon 09
- Daniel I think you forgot your froscon poster?
Damn, I know I have forgotten something... :(
- free catering and shit was cool. The krollsh (or whatever it was called) beer deserves it reputation
There exists much better beer than Kölsch (that's the right name ;)) in Germany
- Thomas (if you ever discuss with this guy, expect a 90:10 listen-talk ratio, he has some symptons of hyperactivity ;-)
:-D LOL -- Jetzt kostenlos herunterladen: Internet Explorer 8 und Mozilla Firefox 3 - sicherer, schneller und einfacher! http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/chbrowser
- free catering and shit was cool. The krollsh (or whatever it was called) beer deserves it reputation
troll + köllsch = krollsch :)
There exists much better beer than Kölsch (that's the right name ;)) in Germany
Living in Southern Germany, I can only confirm that ;) In any case, it is nice too see a picture of all of you! F
On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:55:50 -0400 Eduardo Romero <k3nsai@gmail.com> wrote:
OMG, I didn't expect that, you guys gave a lot of good writing that could make a very big and exciting article in the magazine, I will be contacting all of you, after I get to it and see how we can improve it with more insight. Keep at it if you have more material. And Pierre, if you want to write something, that would be awesome.
remember we're in the process of putting pictures online and we'll probably make an album with the best images with some captions. you can use that in your newsletter Dieter
I collected some pictures and made a simple gallery: http://users.archlinux.de/~pierre/froscon/2009/ I only remove the totally broken or useless ones. I did not rescale either. Maybe we can setup the gallery on gerolde later. -- Pierre Schmitz, http://users.archlinux.de/~pierre
On Tuesday 25 August 2009 06:35:58 pm Pierre Schmitz wrote:
I collected some pictures and made a simple gallery: http://users.archlinux.de/~pierre/froscon/2009/
I only remove the totally broken or useless ones. I did not rescale either. Maybe we can setup the gallery on gerolde later. Thanks guys, so far there appears to be a lot of material I can use, I think way too much. :-)
participants (10)
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Aaron Griffin
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Allan McRae
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Andreas Radke
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Daniel Isenmann
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Dieter Plaetinck
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Eduardo Romero
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Firmicus
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Pierre Schmitz
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Roman Kyrylych
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Thomas Bächler