[arch-dev-public] The next LTS
Hi, In case someone missed it, Greg just announced that 3.10 will be the next LTS kernel [0]. It might make sense to bump linux-lts to 3.10 shortly after linux-3.11 moves to [core]. What do you think? -t [0]: http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2013/08/04/longterm-kernel-3-dot-10/
Op zondag 4 augustus 2013 14:37:35 schreef Tom Gundersen:
Hi,
In case someone missed it, Greg just announced that 3.10 will be the next LTS kernel [0].
It might make sense to bump linux-lts to 3.10 shortly after linux-3.11 moves to [core]. What do you think?
-t
[0]: http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2013/08/04/longterm-kernel-3-dot-10/
We should go for it, 3.10 definatly has some nice features people might wanne mess around with, first that comes to mind is lxc containers created with docker for example. lts is being used for some servers usage, even if archlinux is far from the most suitable distribution for servers, it still is suitable for that case. -- Ike
Am 04.08.2013 14:37, schrieb Tom Gundersen:
Hi,
In case someone missed it, Greg just announced that 3.10 will be the next LTS kernel [0].
It might make sense to bump linux-lts to 3.10 shortly after linux-3.11 moves to [core]. What do you think?
-t
[0]: http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2013/08/04/longterm-kernel-3-dot-10/
Agreed, but no need to hurry. We can wait until the last 3.0 release which was planned for October(?).
On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 2:49 PM, Thomas Bächler
Am 04.08.2013 14:37, schrieb Tom Gundersen:
Hi,
In case someone missed it, Greg just announced that 3.10 will be the next LTS kernel [0].
It might make sense to bump linux-lts to 3.10 shortly after linux-3.11 moves to [core]. What do you think?
-t
[0]: http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2013/08/04/longterm-kernel-3-dot-10/
Agreed, but no need to hurry. We can wait until the last 3.0 release which was planned for October(?).
Given the point of the LTS kernel, I would also agree that we should not rush the switch. People that want the latest and greatest should be running our standard kernel, we want to make absolutely sure the LTS kernel has had time to stabilize before we shift the major version we ship. -Dan
On 2013-08-04 14:37, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Hi,
In case someone missed it, Greg just announced that 3.10 will be the next LTS kernel [0].
It might make sense to bump linux-lts to 3.10 shortly after linux-3.11 moves to [core]. What do you think?
-t
[0]: http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2013/08/04/longterm-kernel-3-dot-10/
+1, some time ago you convinced me that 3.0 has some disadvantages and is definitively less tested. As pointed already we have time to October, so linux-lts 3.10 can stay in [testing] for a while. -- Bartłomiej Piotrowski http://bpiotrowski.pl/
2013/8/5 Bartłomiej Piotrowski
On 2013-08-04 14:37, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Hi,
In case someone missed it, Greg just announced that 3.10 will be the next LTS kernel [0].
It might make sense to bump linux-lts to 3.10 shortly after linux-3.11 moves to [core]. What do you think?
-t
[0]: http://www.kroah.com/log/blog/2013/08/04/longterm-kernel-3-dot-10/
+1, some time ago you convinced me that 3.0 has some disadvantages and is definitively less tested. As pointed already we have time to October, so linux-lts 3.10 can stay in [testing] for a while.
Would it be a good idea to switch to 3.2 now until October? Linux 3.2 is used by Debian 7 and is definitely widely tested by a lot of people. Rémy.
Am Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:16:26 +0200
schrieb Rémy Oudompheng
Would it be a good idea to switch to 3.2 now until October? Linux 3.2 is used by Debian 7 and is definitely widely tested by a lot of people.
Rémy.
Not worth for the few months. We could have done that for over a year and also a switch to 3.4 was possible. We stayed with 3.0 for good reason. The plan will be to switch to 3.10 in testing when 3.11 will be out for the stock kernel. We can delay this until the last 3.0 release or be pretty quick when 3.11 is just released. I notice 3.0 to be slow in boot and shutdown with systemd even with a slow hdd as boot drive, much more with a ssd. I suggest to put 3.10 LTS as early as possible into testing maybe parallel to 3.10 stock kernel in a few weeks. I'd be happy to test it. -Andy
Am 05.08.2013 21:16, schrieb Rémy Oudompheng:
Would it be a good idea to switch to 3.2 now until October? Linux 3.2 is used by Debian 7 and is definitely widely tested by a lot of people.
The plan for the LTS kernel is to avoid frequent major upgrades. We've stayed with 3.0 for about 2 years now. We could have moved to 3.4 a year ago, but since 3.0 was going to be maintained until fall 2013, we chose to keep it. We might as well keep 3.10 for another 2 years. I'd also prefer to use only G-KH's kernels for LTS, and 3.2 is not maintained by him, but by Debian (not that that's bad in itself).
On 6 Aug 2013 01:30, "Thomas Bächler"
We might as well keep 3.10 for another 2 years.
For what it is worth, I would really prefer if we only keep each LTS until the next one is out (i.e., one year). The reason being that running new user space on an old kernel is explicitly not supported and not tested (the converse is of course ok), so the longer our lts kernel lags user space the bigger the risk of inadvertently introduced regressions. Cheers, Tom
participants (7)
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Andreas Radke
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Bartłomiej Piotrowski
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Dan McGee
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Ike Devolder
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Rémy Oudompheng
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Thomas Bächler
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Tom Gundersen