[arch-dev-public] xmms in extra
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:50 PM, Eric Bélanger <snowmaniscool@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 1:01 PM, Andreas Radke <a.radke@arcor.de> wrote:
Am Sun, 11 Jan 2009 13:42:24 -0500 schrieb "Eric Bélanger" <snowmaniscool@gmail.com>:
And the extra -> community makedependencies appear as missing since community was not considered :
xosd --> 'xmms' flac --> 'xmms'
The makedepends is to build plugins. It was brought up on the ML before and no-one objected. I maintain xmms in community so I could easily bring it back in extra. With a usage of 16.34 %, I would say it has a place in extra.
xmms would pull gtk that we wanted to drop from extra.
Well, there is already several packages in extra that depends on gtk. Unless we want to remove them all, we have no choice but to keep gtk in extra. So putting back xmms in extra won't really affect the gtk situation as it will just be another package depending on gtk. I don't see any problems in keeping gtk/glib in extra. FTR, I am maintaining them and they are low-maintenance as you would expect.
Considering xmms has such high usage (I still have no idea why), we would just be pushing around our personal biases to keep it out of extra. I understand that gtk is crap and we want to get rid of it, but it seems there's a decent amount of stuff that still depends on it. I think we have two options here: * We completely get rid of gtk and all packages which depend on it. * We allow xmms back into extra I'm fine with either one, but I do think it'd be silly not to move xmms to extra based on the usage stats
I think we have two options here: * We completely get rid of gtk and all packages which depend on it. * We allow xmms back into extra
I'm fine with either one, but I do think it'd be silly not to move xmms to extra based on the usage stats
I'm also fine either way, but remember, installed != used. I have xmms installed on both my workstations, but haven't used it on either in years. It is not installed on my newer laptops (and thus fresher Arch). Dale
2009/1/12 Dale Blount <dale@archlinux.org>:
I think we have two options here: * We completely get rid of gtk and all packages which depend on it. * We allow xmms back into extra
I'm fine with either one, but I do think it'd be silly not to move xmms to extra based on the usage stats
I'm also fine either way, but remember, installed != used. I have xmms installed on both my workstations,
Ageed. I have xmms installed because its a dep for one of my quod libet plugins. I accidentally opened it the other day and was surprised to find it installed. ;-) Also: if xmms has a high enough usage to be in extra, I assume gtk's usage stats are even higher. So whatever arguments for keeping/discarding xmms based on statistics will also apply to gtk. Dusty
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Dusty Phillips <buchuki@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/1/12 Dale Blount <dale@archlinux.org>:
I think we have two options here: * We completely get rid of gtk and all packages which depend on it. * We allow xmms back into extra
I'm fine with either one, but I do think it'd be silly not to move xmms to extra based on the usage stats
I'm also fine either way, but remember, installed != used. I have xmms installed on both my workstations,
Ageed. I have xmms installed because its a dep for one of my quod libet plugins. I accidentally opened it the other day and was surprised to find it installed. ;-)
Also: if xmms has a high enough usage to be in extra, I assume gtk's usage stats are even higher. So whatever arguments for keeping/discarding xmms based on statistics will also apply to gtk.
Dusty
gtk has a usage of 55.82 %. If we remove gtk, we'll also need to remove pacaackages such as imlib which is a depends for stuff like fvwm and icewm. It makes more sense to keep gtk in extra and to move xmms in extra. BTW, the new bluez package in testing depends on glib. So removing gtk but keeping glib in extra doesn't make much sense either. As for xmms popularity, the community package has 90 votes so there is definitely interest in it.
Eric Bélanger wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Dusty Phillips <buchuki@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/1/12 Dale Blount <dale@archlinux.org>:
I think we have two options here: * We completely get rid of gtk and all packages which depend on it. * We allow xmms back into extra
I'm fine with either one, but I do think it'd be silly not to move xmms to extra based on the usage stats
I'm also fine either way, but remember, installed != used. I have xmms installed on both my workstations,
Ageed. I have xmms installed because its a dep for one of my quod libet plugins. I accidentally opened it the other day and was surprised to find it installed. ;-)
Also: if xmms has a high enough usage to be in extra, I assume gtk's usage stats are even higher. So whatever arguments for keeping/discarding xmms based on statistics will also apply to gtk.
Dusty
gtk has a usage of 55.82 %. If we remove gtk, we'll also need to remove pacaackages such as imlib which is a depends for stuff like fvwm and icewm. It makes more sense to keep gtk in extra and to move xmms in extra.
BTW, the new bluez package in testing depends on glib. So removing gtk but keeping glib in extra doesn't make much sense either.
I think that is a bug: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/12723
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org> wrote:
Eric Bélanger wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Dusty Phillips <buchuki@gmail.com> wrote:
2009/1/12 Dale Blount <dale@archlinux.org>:
I think we have two options here: * We completely get rid of gtk and all packages which depend on it. * We allow xmms back into extra
I'm fine with either one, but I do think it'd be silly not to move xmms to extra based on the usage stats
I'm also fine either way, but remember, installed != used. I have xmms installed on both my workstations,
Ageed. I have xmms installed because its a dep for one of my quod libet plugins. I accidentally opened it the other day and was surprised to find it installed. ;-)
Also: if xmms has a high enough usage to be in extra, I assume gtk's usage stats are even higher. So whatever arguments for keeping/discarding xmms based on statistics will also apply to gtk.
Dusty
gtk has a usage of 55.82 %. If we remove gtk, we'll also need to remove pacaackages such as imlib which is a depends for stuff like fvwm and icewm. It makes more sense to keep gtk in extra and to move xmms in extra.
BTW, the new bluez package in testing depends on glib. So removing gtk but keeping glib in extra doesn't make much sense either.
I think that is a bug: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/12723
FYI: I had to do a couple of fixes to xmms including a security patch so I just pushed it to extra as everyone seemed to be neutral about it.
On Tue, Jan 13, 2009 at 04:05, Allan McRae <allan@archlinux.org> wrote:
I think that is a bug: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/12723
That is. -- Geoffroy Carrier
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Aaron Griffin
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Allan McRae
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Dale Blount
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Dusty Phillips
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Eric Bélanger
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Geoffroy Carrier