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Andreas Radke

5 Mar 2009 5 Mar '09

4:44 p.m.

Gnash is in Orphaned state for a long time. Is there any Dev wanting to pick it up? Any TU wants to maintain it? If not we will remove it so our community might pick it up for AUR. I myself will keep maintaining swfdec in extra as an OSS alternative for Adobe flash. -Andy

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Eduardo Romero

5 Mar 5 Mar

5:23 p.m.

On Thursday 05 March 2009 12:44:15 pm Andreas Radke wrote:

Gnash is in Orphaned state for a long time. Is there any Dev wanting to pick it up? Any TU wants to maintain it?

If not we will remove it so our community might pick it up for AUR.

I myself will keep maintaining swfdec in extra as an OSS alternative for Adobe flash.

-Andy Arch Linux Revolts Against GNASH. I just can picture it. :P

Dusty Phillips

5:28 p.m.

2009/3/5 Eduardo Romero :

On Thursday 05 March 2009 12:44:15 pm Andreas Radke wrote:

...
Gnash is in Orphaned state for a long time. Is there any Dev wanting to pick it up? Any TU wants to maintain it?

If not we will remove it so our community might pick it up for AUR.

I myself will keep maintaining swfdec in extra as an OSS alternative for Adobe flash.

-Andy Arch Linux Revolts Against GNASH. I just can picture it. :P

I'm worried, all this fun we're making of the media, Eduardo but... as newsletter contributors, we're practically media ourselves! What if we fall into the same trap? Oh but I forgot, Arch is so cool it doesn't need to be sensationalized! Dusty

Eduardo Romero

6:39 p.m.

On Thursday 05 March 2009 01:28:55 pm Dusty Phillips wrote:

2009/3/5 Eduardo Romero :

...
On Thursday 05 March 2009 12:44:15 pm Andreas Radke wrote:

...
Gnash is in Orphaned state for a long time. Is there any Dev wanting to pick it up? Any TU wants to maintain it?

If not we will remove it so our community might pick it up for AUR.

I myself will keep maintaining swfdec in extra as an OSS alternative for Adobe flash.

-Andy

Arch Linux Revolts Against GNASH. I just can picture it. :P

I'm worried, all this fun we're making of the media, Eduardo but... as newsletter contributors, we're practically media ourselves! What if we fall into the same trap?

Oh but I forgot, Arch is so cool it doesn't need to be sensationalized!

Dusty Yeah, well, the fun is new and not burned out yet, so there can be a few spawns more of this fun, so devs and users alike, make sure to use thme before it burns out. ;-)

Anyways, has GNASH gotten to a usable state? Last I used it I could not see anything which was interesting to see with flash.

Thomas Bächler

7:03 p.m.

Andreas Radke schrieb:

Gnash is in Orphaned state for a long time. Is there any Dev wanting to pick it up? Any TU wants to maintain it?

If not we will remove it so our community might pick it up for AUR.

I myself will keep maintaining swfdec in extra as an OSS alternative for Adobe flash.

I just read an article today about new developments in gnash: http://www.heise.de/open/Freier-Flash-Player-macht-Fortschritte--/news/meldu... English: http://www.h-online.com/open/Gnash-0-85-release--/news/112779 Maybe it is better than swfdec now, who knows The project is alive, but I don't particularly care about it since Adobe's 64 bit beta player works good enough for me. If you want to drop it, then do it.

Aaron Griffin

8:55 p.m.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Andreas Radke wrote:

Gnash is in Orphaned state for a long time. Is there any Dev wanting to pick it up? Any TU wants to maintain it?

If not we will remove it so our community might pick it up for AUR.

I myself will keep maintaining swfdec in extra as an OSS alternative for Adobe flash.

It's sad that gnash isn't more well loved, but if you don't have the time required to maintain it, perhaps a TU would be better. Unless someone wants to pick it up... how often do they update?

Eric Bélanger

9:19 p.m.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 3:55 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

On Thu, Mar 5, 2009 at 10:44 AM, Andreas Radke wrote:

...
Gnash is in Orphaned state for a long time. Is there any Dev wanting to pick it up? Any TU wants to maintain it?

If not we will remove it so our community might pick it up for AUR.

I myself will keep maintaining swfdec in extra as an OSS alternative for Adobe flash.

It's sad that gnash isn't more well loved, but if you don't have the time required to maintain it, perhaps a TU would be better.

Unless someone wants to pick it up... how often do they update?

If they don't update often and if no other dev/TU is willing to adopt it, I could just update it for this time being. Lately, I've been busy updating orphaned packages so a couple more won't matter ;). In fact, I was about to post a status report on the remaining ones. I will do that sometime soon.

Andreas Radke

24 Mar 24 Mar

6:35 p.m.

Am Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:19:57 -0500 schrieb Eric Bélanger :

If they don't update often and if no other dev/TU is willing to adopt it, I could just update it for this time being. Lately, I've been busy updating orphaned packages so a couple more won't matter ;). In fact, I was about to post a status report on the remaining ones. I will do that sometime soon.

gnash-common and -gtk have been added to AUR. please decide to update the official packages/remove AUR ones or leave them up to the community. your choice. -Andy

Eric Bélanger

30 Mar 30 Mar

8:06 a.m.

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:

Am Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:19:57 -0500 schrieb Eric Bélanger :

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If they don't update often and if no other dev/TU is willing to adopt it, I could just update it for this time being. Lately, I've been busy updating orphaned packages so a couple more won't matter ;). In fact, I was about to post a status report on the remaining ones. I will do that sometime soon.

gnash-common and -gtk have been added to AUR. please decide to update the official packages/remove AUR ones or leave them up to the community.

your choice.

-Andy

I've started to work on an gnash upgrade. But keep the gnash PKGBUILD in unsupported until the update is actually done. (ie I might change my mind). BTW, I'll probably use agg for the renderer instead of opengl for performance reason: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13443. This was done in the PKGBUILD in AUR. I might also change the media from gstreamer to ffmpeg. I've read somewhere that ffmpeg was better on Youtube. Currently, gnash 0.8.4 or 0.8.5 doesn't work on Youtube as far as I could tell.

Jan de Groot

8:12 a.m.

On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 04:06 -0400, Eric Bélanger wrote:

I've started to work on an gnash upgrade. But keep the gnash PKGBUILD in unsupported until the update is actually done. (ie I might change my mind).

BTW, I'll probably use agg for the renderer instead of opengl for performance reason: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13443. This was done in the PKGBUILD in AUR. I might also change the media from gstreamer to ffmpeg. I've read somewhere that ffmpeg was better on Youtube. Currently, gnash 0.8.4 or 0.8.5 doesn't work on Youtube as far as I could tell.

At this moment we have updates for ffmpeg and friends sitting in testing. If you consider switching to plain ffmpeg instead of GStreamer, I would like to have ffmpeg updated to the normal release, which is "stable". When we get this version, I could even compile gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg against the system-installed ffmpeg, as GStreamer has switched to the stable version also now. The reason why gnash uses GStreamer instead of plain ffmpeg is because GStreamer has a backwards compatible interface, which ffmpeg didn't offer before it was released officially.

Eric Bélanger

7:15 p.m.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Jan de Groot wrote:

On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 04:06 -0400, Eric Bélanger wrote:

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I've started to work on an gnash upgrade. But keep the gnash PKGBUILD in unsupported until the update is actually done. (ie I might change my mind).

BTW, I'll probably use agg for the renderer instead of opengl for performance reason: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13443. This was done in the PKGBUILD in AUR. I might also change the media from gstreamer to ffmpeg. I've read somewhere that ffmpeg was better on Youtube. Currently, gnash 0.8.4 or 0.8.5 doesn't work on Youtube as far as I could tell.

At this moment we have updates for ffmpeg and friends sitting in testing.

I am aware about that. The faad2/x264 rebuild is blocked in testing because of a bug. I want to make a couple more test to make sure it's not a packaging bug before submitting an upstream bug report.

If you consider switching to plain ffmpeg instead of GStreamer, I would like to have ffmpeg updated to the normal release, which is "stable". When we get this version, I could even compile gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg against the system-installed ffmpeg, as GStreamer has switched to the stable version also now.

I was wondering if we should stick with the svn snapshot or switch back to the stable release. After what you said, I'll switch to the stable release. My only concern is if they wait for several years before releasing their next stable release. But we could always go back to svn snapshots if it's the case.

The reason why gnash uses GStreamer instead of plain ffmpeg is because GStreamer has a backwards compatible interface, which ffmpeg didn't offer before it was released officially.

Andreas Radke

4:23 p.m.

Am Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:06:15 -0400 schrieb Eric Bélanger :

On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:

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Am Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:19:57 -0500 schrieb Eric Bélanger :

...
If they don't update often and if no other dev/TU is willing to adopt it, I could just update it for this time being. Lately, I've been busy updating orphaned packages so a couple more won't matter ;). In fact, I was about to post a status report on the remaining ones. I will do that sometime soon.

gnash-common and -gtk have been added to AUR. please decide to update the official packages/remove AUR ones or leave them up to the community.

your choice.

-Andy

I've started to work on an gnash upgrade. But keep the gnash PKGBUILD in unsupported until the update is actually done. (ie I might change my mind).

BTW, I'll probably use agg for the renderer instead of opengl for performance reason: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13443. This was done in the PKGBUILD in AUR. I might also change the media from gstreamer to ffmpeg. I've read somewhere that ffmpeg was better on Youtube. Currently, gnash 0.8.4 or 0.8.5 doesn't work on Youtube as far as I could tell.

Please take care of the AGG license. I remember we dropped its usage in OOo and switched back to an older agg version shipped with the OOo sources. see http://www.antigrain.com/license/index.html -Andy

Eric Bélanger

7:16 p.m.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:

Am Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:06:15 -0400 schrieb Eric Bélanger :

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:

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Am Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:19:57 -0500 schrieb Eric Bélanger :

...
If they don't update often and if no other dev/TU is willing to adopt it, I could just update it for this time being. Lately, I've been busy updating orphaned packages so a couple more won't matter ;). In fact, I was about to post a status report on the remaining ones. I will do that sometime soon.

gnash-common and -gtk have been added to AUR. please decide to update the official packages/remove AUR ones or leave them up to the community.

your choice.

-Andy

I've started to work on an gnash upgrade. But keep the gnash PKGBUILD in unsupported until the update is actually done. (ie I might change my mind).

BTW, I'll probably use agg for the renderer instead of opengl for performance reason: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13443. This was done in the PKGBUILD in AUR. I might also change the media from gstreamer to ffmpeg. I've read somewhere that ffmpeg was better on Youtube. Currently, gnash 0.8.4 or 0.8.5 doesn't work on Youtube as far as I could tell.

Please take care of the AGG license. I remember we dropped its usage in OOo and switched back to an older agg version shipped with the OOo sources.

see http://www.antigrain.com/license/index.html

-Andy

AGG 2.5 is licensed under the GPL (same for gnash) so that shouldn't be a problem. Eric

Eric Bélanger

4 Apr 4 Apr

5:50 a.m.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Eric Bélanger wrote:

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:

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Am Mon, 30 Mar 2009 04:06:15 -0400 schrieb Eric Bélanger :

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On Tue, Mar 24, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Andreas Radke wrote:

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Am Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:19:57 -0500 schrieb Eric Bélanger :

...
If they don't update often and if no other dev/TU is willing to adopt it, I could just update it for this time being. Lately, I've been busy updating orphaned packages so a couple more won't matter ;). In fact, I was about to post a status report on the remaining ones. I will do that sometime soon.

gnash-common and -gtk have been added to AUR. please decide to update the official packages/remove AUR ones or leave them up to the community.

your choice.

-Andy

I've started to work on an gnash upgrade. But keep the gnash PKGBUILD in unsupported until the update is actually done. (ie I might change my mind).

BTW, I'll probably use agg for the renderer instead of opengl for performance reason: http://bugs.archlinux.org/task/13443. This was done in the PKGBUILD in AUR. I might also change the media from gstreamer to ffmpeg. I've read somewhere that ffmpeg was better on Youtube. Currently, gnash 0.8.4 or 0.8.5 doesn't work on Youtube as far as I could tell.

Please take care of the AGG license. I remember we dropped its usage in OOo and switched back to an older agg version shipped with the OOo sources.

see http://www.antigrain.com/license/index.html

-Andy

AGG 2.5 is licensed under the GPL (same for gnash) so that shouldn't be a problem.

Eric

FYI, I've just put gnash 0.8.5 in extra. It now use agg and ffmpeg.

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