Re: [arch-dev-public] [announcement] qemu/qemu-kvm announcement draft

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Tobias Powalowski

9 Jan 2010 9 Jan '10

5:23 p.m.

Hi, since qemu/qemu-kvm 0.12.x kqemu is no longer supported. kqemu package is removed from the repositories, if you still need kqemu support please compile 0.11 series and kqemu module yourself. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org

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Dan McGee

9 Jan 9 Jan

5:46 p.m.

New subject: [arch-dev-public] [announcement] qemu/qemu-kvm announcement draft

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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Hi, since qemu/qemu-kvm 0.12.x kqemu is no longer supported. kqemu package is removed from the repositories, if you still need kqemu support please compile 0.11 series and kqemu module yourself.

A few things: * the contradictory message in the package itself: [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Since kernel 2.6.29: [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Qemu package now provides standard qemu with kvm enabled. [2010-01-08 19:01] [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> PLEASE READ FOR KVM USAGE! [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Load the correct KVM module, you will need a KVM capable CPU! [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Add yourself to the group 'kvm'. [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Use 'qemu --enable-kvm' to use KVM. [2010-01-08 19:01] [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> PLEASE READ FOR KQEMU USAGE! [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> You need to install the 'kqemu' package for your kernel. [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> You need to load the module to use qemu with kqemu. [2010-01-08 19:01] upgraded qemu (0.11.1-1 -> 0.12.1-1) * Let's use proper punctuation and capitalization around here. How about this: With the release of qemu and qemu-kvm 0.12.X, the kqemu kernel module is no longer supported and will be removed from the repositories. You can safely uninstall it from your system. * I had a hard time finding upstream documentation as to why this deprecation happened, but I am guessing it is because KVM is the new hotness. If that is correct, it might not hurt to add that to the note as well. -Dan

Tobias Powalowski

5:49 p.m.

New subject: [arch-dev-public] [announcement] qemu/qemu-kvm announcement draft

Am Samstag 09 Januar 2010 schrieb Dan McGee:

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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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Hi, since qemu/qemu-kvm 0.12.x kqemu is no longer supported. kqemu package is removed from the repositories, if you still need kqemu support please compile 0.11 series and kqemu module yourself.

A few things:

* the contradictory message in the package itself: [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Since kernel 2.6.29: [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Qemu package now provides standard qemu with kvm enabled. [2010-01-08 19:01] [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> PLEASE READ FOR KVM USAGE! [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Load the correct KVM module, you will need a KVM capable CPU! [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Add yourself to the group 'kvm'. [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> Use 'qemu --enable-kvm' to use KVM. [2010-01-08 19:01] [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> PLEASE READ FOR KQEMU USAGE! [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> You need to install the 'kqemu' package for your kernel. [2010-01-08 19:01] >>> You need to load the module to use qemu with kqemu. [2010-01-08 19:01] upgraded qemu (0.11.1-1 -> 0.12.1-1)

* Let's use proper punctuation and capitalization around here. How about this: With the release of qemu and qemu-kvm 0.12.X, the kqemu kernel module is no longer supported and will be removed from the repositories. You can safely uninstall it from your system.

* I had a hard time finding upstream documentation as to why this deprecation happened, but I am guessing it is because KVM is the new hotness. If that is correct, it might not hurt to add that to the note as well.

-Dan

Yes will change the install message. Yes there is no mention in the changelogs, really strange. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org

Paul Mattal

5:52 p.m.

New subject: [arch-dev-public] [announcement] qemu/qemu-kvm announcement draft

On 01/09/2010 12:49 PM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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Am Samstag 09 Januar 2010 schrieb Dan McGee:

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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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Hi, since qemu/qemu-kvm 0.12.x kqemu is no longer supported. kqemu package is removed from the repositories, if you still need kqemu support please compile 0.11 series and kqemu module yourself.

A few things:

* the contradictory message in the package itself: [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> Since kernel 2.6.29: [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> Qemu package now provides standard qemu with kvm enabled. [2010-01-08 19:01] [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> PLEASE READ FOR KVM USAGE! [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> Load the correct KVM module, you will need a KVM capable CPU! [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> Add yourself to the group 'kvm'. [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> Use 'qemu --enable-kvm' to use KVM. [2010-01-08 19:01] [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> PLEASE READ FOR KQEMU USAGE! [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> You need to install the 'kqemu' package for your kernel. [2010-01-08 19:01]>>> You need to load the module to use qemu with kqemu. [2010-01-08 19:01] upgraded qemu (0.11.1-1 -> 0.12.1-1)

* Let's use proper punctuation and capitalization around here. How about this: With the release of qemu and qemu-kvm 0.12.X, the kqemu kernel module is no longer supported and will be removed from the repositories. You can safely uninstall it from your system.

* I had a hard time finding upstream documentation as to why this deprecation happened, but I am guessing it is because KVM is the new hotness. If that is correct, it might not hurt to add that to the note as well.

-Dan

Yes will change the install message. Yes there is no mention in the changelogs, really strange. greetings tpowa

I follow qemu/kvm and was totally blindsided by this, but eventually dug this out. Sounds like it's just that nobody wanted to support it and it was starting to cause real problems, which is totally reasonable, but it was not very well publicized: https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/493519 Doesn't kvm still require that you have virtualization support in your processor? That was the remaining benefit of kqemu-- for people who didn't have the processor instructions. - P

Tobias Powalowski

5:52 p.m.

New subject: [arch-dev-public] [announcement] qemu/qemu-kvm announcement draft

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Yes will change the install message. Yes there is no mention in the changelogs, really strange. greetings tpowa

Ok like this? echo ">>> Since kernel 2.6.29:" echo ">>> Qemu package now provides standard qemu with kvm enabled." echo "" echo ">>> PLEASE READ FOR KVM USAGE!" echo ">>> Load the correct KVM module, you will need a KVM capable CPU!" echo ">>> Add yourself to the group 'kvm'." echo ">>> Use 'qemu --enable-kvm' to use KVM." echo "" echo "With the release of qemu and qemu-kvm 0.12.X, the kqemu kernel module" echo "is no longer supported and will be removed from the repositories. You" echo "can safely uninstall it from your system." greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org

Dan McGee

6:01 p.m.

New subject: [arch-dev-public] [announcement] qemu/qemu-kvm announcement draft

On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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> Yes will change the install message.

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Yes there is no mention in the changelogs, really strange. greetings tpowa

Ok like this? echo ">>> Since kernel 2.6.29:" echo ">>> Qemu package now provides standard qemu with kvm enabled." echo "" echo ">>> PLEASE READ FOR KVM USAGE!" echo ">>> Load the correct KVM module, you will need a KVM capable CPU!" echo ">>> Add yourself to the group 'kvm'." echo ">>> Use 'qemu --enable-kvm' to use KVM." echo "" echo "With the release of qemu and qemu-kvm 0.12.X, the kqemu kernel module" echo "is no longer supported and will be removed from the repositories. You" echo "can safely uninstall it from your system."

Can we put some vercmp checks around messages like this? That way people only have to see them once (when they upgrade the first time to a 0.12.x version for the second message). The first message should really be a post_install message. And with all that said, why are there two packages in extra if "qemu package now provides standard qemu with kvm enabled"? -Dan

Tobias Powalowski

8:09 p.m.

New subject: [arch-dev-public] [announcement] qemu/qemu-kvm announcement draft

Am Samstag 09 Januar 2010 schrieb Dan McGee:

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On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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Yes will change the install message.

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Yes there is no mention in the changelogs, really strange. greetings tpowa

Ok like this? echo ">>> Since kernel 2.6.29:" echo ">>> Qemu package now provides standard qemu with kvm enabled." echo "" echo ">>> PLEASE READ FOR KVM USAGE!" echo ">>> Load the correct KVM module, you will need a KVM capable CPU!" echo ">>> Add yourself to the group 'kvm'." echo ">>> Use 'qemu --enable-kvm' to use KVM." echo "" echo "With the release of qemu and qemu-kvm 0.12.X, the kqemu kernel module" echo "is no longer supported and will be removed from the repositories. You" echo "can safely uninstall it from your system."

Can we put some vercmp checks around messages like this? That way people only have to see them once (when they upgrade the first time to a 0.12.x version for the second message). The first message should really be a post_install message.

And with all that said, why are there two packages in extra if "qemu package now provides standard qemu with kvm enabled"?

-Dan

Yes sure i can add those vercmp stuff. qemu and qemu-kvm is different. qemu-kvm is only for kvm while qemu provides much more machines to emulate. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org

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