[arch-dev-public] Fwd: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1)
Hi guys, It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that? I regularly run into users who use it without knowing that it is dead and broken. Moving it to the AUR would hopefully send the right message... I know that this will probably upset people's muscle-memory as most people probably have been using these tools for decades. I guess that's not an insurmountable problem for us though? Cheers, Tom ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no> Date: Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [systemd-devel] Assigning a second ip-address on interface (i.e. eth0 and eth0:1) To: Mantas Mikulėnas <grawity@gmail.com> Cc: Oliver <oliver@business-security.de>, "systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org" <systemd-devel@lists.freedesktop.org> On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 12:30 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas <grawity@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:06 PM, Umut Tezduyar Lindskog <umut@tezduyar.com> wrote:
Hi Oliver,
You can specify Address= more than once as it is explained in http://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.network.html (Address=).
And just for the record, use `ip addr` to make sure it works, because chances are that `ifconfig` won't show it.
Since kernel 2.2, there can be several IP addresses on the same eth0 interface without having to use 'aliases', using `ip addr add` for example. networkd uses the new method as well. Unfortunately, `ifconfig` – even the last version that Arch has – only shows the first address to this day.
PSA: never, ever, use ifconfig or friends. It has been dead upstream since sometime in the last millenium and is known to give you misleading or just wrong information. I thought we had dropped it from Arch to be honest... Maybe time to look at that... Cheers, Tom
On Thu, Apr 24, 2014 at 1:27 PM, Tom Gundersen <teg@jklm.no> wrote:
Hi guys,
It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that? I regularly run into users who use it without knowing that it is dead and broken. Moving it to the AUR would hopefully send the right message...
I know that this will probably upset people's muscle-memory as most people probably have been using these tools for decades. I guess that's not an insurmountable problem for us though?
Cheers,
Tom
Drop it. It may upset some users, but there's no point in supporting something that is clearly broken for many years and that has a superior alternative. Lukas
On 24.04.2014 13:27, Tom Gundersen wrote:
It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that?
I dislike ss's output format. 'ss -tulpn' is kind of the same as 'netstat -tulpen' yet way harder to read (tons of useless whitespace in there and 2 lines per listener). I don't care about ifconfig too much, but other binaries in the package are still useful imho and should be kept so -1 for dropping to aur. I'm fine with dropping it from core though.
Am 24.04.2014 14:06, schrieb Florian Pritz:
On 24.04.2014 13:27, Tom Gundersen wrote:
It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that?
I dislike ss's output format. 'ss -tulpn' is kind of the same as 'netstat -tulpen' yet way harder to read (tons of useless whitespace in there and 2 lines per listener).
I don't care about ifconfig too much, but other binaries in the package are still useful imho and should be kept so -1 for dropping to aur. I'm fine with dropping it from core though.
I feel exactly the same. I always install net-tools for netstat.
On Thu 24, April 13:27:54 Tom Gundersen wrote:
I thought we had dropped it from Arch to be honest... Maybe time to look at that...
+1 for removing it from [core] On my system it's needed by aircrack-ng which is in [community], so I propose to move net-tools there too. -- Andrea Arch Linux Developer
On 24/04/14 07:27 AM, Tom Gundersen wrote:
Hi guys,
It was recently brought to my attention (see below) that we still ship net-tools in Arch. Should we perhaps start working on dropping that? I regularly run into users who use it without knowing that it is dead and broken. Moving it to the AUR would hopefully send the right message...
I know that this will probably upset people's muscle-memory as most people probably have been using these tools for decades. I guess that's not an insurmountable problem for us though?
Cheers,
Tom
This also applies to wireless_tools (and the entire kernel stack it uses) being deprecated in favour of iw. Sadly there are a bunch of poorly maintained drivers not ported to the new stack... all of the ones listed here[1] as not having cfg80211 support are a problem. I'm not sure if there's anything we can do about this yet. [1] http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Drivers
participants (6)
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Andrea Scarpino
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Daniel Micay
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Florian Pritz
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Lukas Jirkovsky
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Thomas Bächler
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Tom Gundersen