Eric Bélanger wrote:

On Sat, 29 Nov 2008, Allan McRae wrote:

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Hi devs,

I have created a table of candidates for removal from the extra repo based on <1% usage in the pkgstats results. I have gone through and flagged for keeping packages which are i18n, makedepends, or otherwise needed (in pacman testsuite, using on gerolde). See the list here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Allan/Extra_Repo_and_Pkgstats

There is probably other categories of packages we should keep (e.g drivers) and there are some fonts which might be considered i18n related so can you all go through the list a cross out the ones to be kept and giving the reason.

In a couple of weeks time I will remove all the orphaned packages remaining on that list and contact the maintainers of the rest so they can decide what to do with their packages.

Cheers, Allan

After glancing over the list, I noticed that 2 of my packages were there. IMO, this list should be restricted to orphans only. Unless you intend to check if the package if orphaned before removing it.

Read the sentence above yours... :P Allan

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:54 AM, Allan McRae wrote:

Firmicus wrote:

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But don't forget that we also have those two wiki pages:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Package_Cleanup

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Repo_Cleanup

I think it would be a good idea to merge the above two pages to the third one. We should not have 3+ pages devoted to one identical task.

F

I didn't know about those pages. I will look into merging them at a later time.

Yeah, I didn't get a chance this weekend to mention that I had already started some efforts on this front. Unfortunately it had been a while since others had moved on it so nothing happened and the page got lost. -Dan

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Firmicus wrote:

Allan McRae a écrit :

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Firmicus wrote:

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Allan McRae a écrit :

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Hi devs,

I have created a table of candidates for removal from the extra repo based on <1% usage in the pkgstats results. I have gone through and flagged for keeping packages which are i18n, makedepends, or otherwise needed (in pacman testsuite, using on gerolde). See the list here: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Allan/Extra_Repo_and_Pkgstats

There is probably other categories of packages we should keep (e.g drivers) and there are some fonts which might be considered i18n related so can you all go through the list a cross out the ones to be kept and giving the reason.

In a couple of weeks time I will remove all the orphaned packages remaining on that list and contact the maintainers of the rest so they can decide what to do with their packages.

Cheers, Allan

Good work Allan.

The few packages I maintain in that list I will certainly move to community.

But don't forget that we also have those two wiki pages:

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Package_Cleanup

http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Repo_Cleanup

I think it would be a good idea to merge the above two pages to the third one. We should not have 3+ pages devoted to one identical task.

F

I didn't know about those pages. I will look into merging them at a later time.

Allan

I did some preliminary work for you ;)

The page Package_Cleanup is now redirected to http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Repo_Cleanup

I have moved the content of the former to the latter and reorganized it a bit.

I also added a link to your user page with a note that it should be merged with the table based on pkgstats.

All devs should feel free to edit, comment, etc. Note that you need to have sysop rights to edit DeveloperWiki pages.

Why can't users edit this (e.g. leave comments on packages)? This is why I originally made this page NOT on the developer wiki... -Dan

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:20 PM, Firmicus wrote:

Dan McGee a écrit :

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 10:15 AM, Firmicus wrote:

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The page Package_Cleanup is now redirected to http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/DeveloperWiki:Repo_Cleanup

I have moved the content of the former to the latter and reorganized it a bit.

I also added a link to your user page with a note that it should be merged with the table based on pkgstats.

All devs should feel free to edit, comment, etc. Note that you need to have sysop rights to edit DeveloperWiki pages.

Why can't users edit this (e.g. leave comments on packages)? This is why I originally made this page NOT on the developer wiki...

-Dan

Well, I thought this is what you guys actually wanted, since this is first and foremost an internal issue. I am personally quite neutral about this. One option could to have the Talk page editable by anyone (not sure it is possible). It is also possible to re-move the page to the unprotected area.

I think you are right on this being primarily a developer issue. I just thought it might be useful for community members to help us with some of the reasoning behind certain packages having to stay in extra, or if things can definitely be dropped. With that said, I'd much rather someone that has the motivation to follow through with all this manage the page, so I'm not going to tell you how to do your work since I don't really have the time for it right now. :) -Dan

Hi, I have sorted all packages with <1% usage into those that need kept, and the remaining into those with maintainers and those that are orphans. See http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Allan/Extra_Repo_and_Pkgstats . There are 142 packages that have <1% usage, are orphans and are not i18n, drivers, makedepends, etc. Can people go through that list and make sure there is nothing in it that should not be removed from the repos. If there are no objections, I will start moving these packages to the AUR next weekend. Allan

Am Sonntag 14 Dezember 2008 12:03:46 schrieb Allan McRae:

I have sorted all packages with <1% usage into those that need kept, and the remaining into those with maintainers and those that are orphans.   See http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Allan/Extra_Repo_and_Pkgstats .

Ar you using an "outdated" list here? Some of those package like the nvidia driver are already removed. -- Pierre Schmitz Clemens-August-Straße 76 53115 Bonn Telefon 0228 9716608 Mobil 0160 95269831 Jabber pierre@jabber.archlinux.de WWW http://www.archlinux.de

Allan McRae wrote:

Hi,

I have sorted all packages with <1% usage into those that need kept, and the remaining into those with maintainers and those that are orphans. See http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Allan/Extra_Repo_and_Pkgstats .

There are 142 packages that have <1% usage, are orphans and are not i18n, drivers, makedepends, etc. Can people go through that list and make sure there is nothing in it that should not be removed from the repos. If there are no objections, I will start moving these packages to the AUR next weekend.

Allan

pacbuild is an official Arch project - is the AUR the right place for it?

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Giovanni Scafora wrote:

2008/12/15, Tom K :

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pacbuild is an official Arch project - is the AUR the right place for it?

imho pacbuild should be in extra.

Has anyone on the dev team used it? Or maintained it or hacked on it? I think we can hold it in a slightly different regard than other packages on this list, but it has a lot of things going against it, including seeing no love from any of us. In that respect, its a defunct project and we usually don't keep those around. -Dan

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:09 AM, Dan McGee wrote:

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 3:38 AM, Giovanni Scafora wrote:

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2008/12/15, Tom K :

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pacbuild is an official Arch project - is the AUR the right place for it?

imho pacbuild should be in extra.

Has anyone on the dev team used it? Or maintained it or hacked on it? I think we can hold it in a slightly different regard than other packages on this list, but it has a lot of things going against it, including seeing no love from any of us. In that respect, its a defunct project and we usually don't keep those around.

-Dan

Hehehe... umm... I've used it, maintained it, and hacked on it. I started the damned project. I've also not picked it up for quite some time. No time these days. Plus I do less packaging myself. The git repo is still hosted on project.archlinux.org but the package itself isn't exactly production ready or really being used by anyone. Jason

Am Donnerstag 18 Dezember 2008 12:11:39 schrieb Allan McRae:

Apart from this, does anyone have objections to me moving any of the other packages in this list to the AUR over the next few weeks? http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/User:Allan/Extra_Repo_and_Pkgstats#Orph aned_packages

Do you have some kind of script to upload those to the AUR? Otherwise you could just remove them; they are still in the svn repo anyway. -- Pierre Schmitz Clemens-August-Straße 76 53115 Bonn Telefon 0228 9716608 Mobil 0160 95269831 Jabber pierre@jabber.archlinux.de WWW http://www.archlinux.de

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:12, Allan McRae wrote:

Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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Am Donnerstag 18 Dezember 2008 12:11:39 schrieb Allan McRae:

Do you have some kind of script to upload those to the AUR? Otherwise you could just remove them; they are still in the svn repo anyway.

I was going to do a svn checkout, "makepkg --source" in the trunk directory and then use one of the aur uploaders (aurup?), so this should be fairly easy to automate (apart from me probably needing to orphan them in the AUR afterwards).

Bob (Finch) asked for his community packages to be removed. I wrote a little script to help with it. It's not documented and has some rough edges, but it should give you a nice base to hack on. Enjoy :)

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 7:28 AM, Allan McRae wrote:

Daenyth Blank wrote:

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On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 08:12, Allan McRae wrote:

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Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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Am Donnerstag 18 Dezember 2008 12:11:39 schrieb Allan McRae:

Do you have some kind of script to upload those to the AUR? Otherwise you could just remove them; they are still in the svn repo anyway.

I was going to do a svn checkout, "makepkg --source" in the trunk directory and then use one of the aur uploaders (aurup?), so this should be fairly easy to automate (apart from me probably needing to orphan them in the AUR afterwards).

Bob (Finch) asked for his community packages to be removed. I wrote a little script to help with it. It's not documented and has some rough edges, but it should give you a nice base to hack on. Enjoy :)

Bah, I forgot that the AUR required package categories still... So maybe this will require slightly more work to assign each package to one.

Pfft, dump all pkgnames to a file and just add the categories in there. Add a little script-fu, and voila

On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 6:22 AM, Allan McRae wrote:

I have now removed most packages that have less that 1% usage and no maintainer from the repos, the exceptions being pacbuild and libnids (required by something in community). They are now moving to the AUR, but some may take slightly longer to get uploaded due to their PKGBUILDs not being updated in a long time and AUR being pedantic (no license, no md5sums, no url, etc).

Thanks for your hard work on this, it should really help our orphan problem. -Dan