On 9/24/07, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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- Ram usage increased to 160MB

Wow, for an installer? This is getting a little hefty here, considering X isn't even loaded.

Perhaps we should look into this before it becomes a problem.

Tobias, I'm not sure where you keep archboot (it was on a different server), but could we move it to gerolde in /srv/projects?

If you don't have access, you could move the repo to your home dir and let me know, I will move it to /srv

Thanks, Aaron

_______________________________________________ arch-dev-public mailing list arch-dev-public@archlinux.org http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-dev-public Hi Aaron the problem is that the initrd size increased due to the wlan drivers.

Am Montag, 24. September 2007 schrieb Aaron Griffin: the size will not increase dramatically, only new drivers will be added in next isos. Ram usage is calculated like this: kernelsize+initrdsize+decompressed initrdsize it can be tested with the mem= boot parameter. The binary part should be complete now. The initrd is not only a installer it's also a complete rescue system. Everything has up and downsides. In my opinion a system with less than 256mb ram is not really recommended and usable in 2007. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org

Am Montag, 24. September 2007 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

On 9/24/07, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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Am Montag, 24. September 2007 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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On 9/24/07, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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- Ram usage increased to 160MB

Wow, for an installer? This is getting a little hefty here, considering X isn't even loaded.

Perhaps we should look into this before it becomes a problem.

Tobias, I'm not sure where you keep archboot (it was on a different server), but could we move it to gerolde in /srv/projects?

If you don't have access, you could move the repo to your home dir and let me know, I will move it to /srv

Thanks, Aaron

_______________________________________________ arch-dev-public mailing list arch-dev-public@archlinux.org http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-dev-public

Hi Aaron the problem is that the initrd size increased due to the wlan drivers. the size will not increase dramatically, only new drivers will be added in next isos. Ram usage is calculated like this: kernelsize+initrdsize+decompressed initrdsize it can be tested with the mem= boot parameter.

I understand all this, but I think there are better ways to do this. All modules do not need to be loaded directly into ram or be in the initrd. I actually have a proof-of-concept on phraktured.net of this.

This is why I'd like to get the archboot repo on gerolde, because I'm sure I could throw some tricks at it and make it use less RAM.

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In my opinion a system with less than 256mb ram is not really recommended and usable in 2007.

That's true, but you're also thinking of a desktop/server machine. What if I wanted to install arch on my router? Even though it's probably a good guess that people have more than 160MB of RAM, that doesn't technically give us cause to be flippant about it - less RAM used means, most likely, faster too.

Let me know when you get archboot up on gerolde 8)

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Hi the tarball is in cvs extra/system/archboot/ greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org

* On Monday, September 24 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:

On 9/24/07, Tobias Powalowski wrote:

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In my opinion a system with less than 256mb ram is not really recommended and usable in 2007.

I think that statement is crap. I run 1 machine on arch with a 400 mhz pentium 2 with 96 megs of ram as my irc and torrent box. That's right, 96 megs of ram. It works perfectly. I don't have X on it, obviously. So you are saying I shouldn't be able to install arch on that box, just because you wouldn't use it? // jeff -- .: [ + carpe diem totus tuus + ] :.

Hi updated iso names to new name scheme. have fun greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org