Hi Allan, Thanks for bringing this up. On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Allan McRae wrote:

Moving these out of /{s,}bin would make it a lot easier if _ONE DAY_ we do decide to merge /bin to /usr/bin.  And I mean _A LOT_ easier... Making changes like that is a real annoyance in a rolling release distro.

Regardless of an eventual /bin -> /usr/bin symlink, I would be in favor of the following (purely in the interest of KISS): All new binaries/libraries go to /usr/{bin,lib} no matter what. That is no /lib, /bin, /sbin or /usr/sbin. All current libraries should be moved from /lib to /usr/lib (but not in a hurry, just when the relevant maintainers find the time). All binaries should be moved to /usr/bin unless that would cause inconveniences/problems (but not in a hurry, just when the relevant maintainers find the time). I guess that's the same as you had in mind? Examples of things that would not be affected (at least until an eventual /bin -> /usr/bin move): * The dynamic linker * /lib/{firmware,udev,systemd,modprobe.d,modules,depmod.d} (anything non-.so) * /bin/{bash,sh,agetty...} (and other things that will cause horrible breakage) Just my two cents, Tom

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Rémy Oudompheng wrote:

On 2012/1/30 Tom Gundersen wrote:

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Hi Allan,

Thanks for bringing this up.

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 5:49 AM, Allan McRae wrote:

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Moving these out of /{s,}bin would make it a lot easier if _ONE DAY_ we do decide to merge /bin to /usr/bin.  And I mean _A LOT_ easier... Making changes like that is a real annoyance in a rolling release distro.

Regardless of an eventual /bin -> /usr/bin symlink, I would be in favor of the following (purely in the interest of KISS):

All new binaries/libraries go to /usr/{bin,lib} no matter what. That is no /lib, /bin, /sbin or /usr/sbin.

All current libraries should be moved from /lib to /usr/lib (but not in a hurry, just when the relevant maintainers find the time).

All binaries should be moved to /usr/bin unless that would cause inconveniences/problems (but not in a hurry, just when the relevant maintainers find the time).

I'd say it should be doable to do the move for non-core packages. There are not so many of them and things like zsh have really no reason to be in /bin, it depends on so many things in /usr/*

zsh is a really bad example; you'll break every script that starts with #!/bin/zsh. Shells excluded, I do agree that not much in [extra] probably needs to be in the root binary directories.