On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 05:01:53PM -0400, Jeff 'codemac' Mickey wrote:

* On Saturday, October 27 2007, Damir Perisa wrote:

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aumix what console audio mixers do we provide?

Please don't remove aumix. It's nice to be able to use it in quick scripts, like "aumix -v+3" increases volume by 3 percent on the master volume control. alsamixer does duplicate the ncurses volume adjustment, but doesn't let you adjust the volume unless you do it interactively.

You can use amixer (part of alsa-utils). Jürgen

On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 11:16:44PM +0200, Jürgen Hötzel wrote:

On Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 05:01:53PM -0400, Jeff 'codemac' Mickey wrote:

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* On Saturday, October 27 2007, Damir Perisa wrote:

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aumix what console audio mixers do we provide?

Please don't remove aumix. It's nice to be able to use it in quick scripts, like "aumix -v+3" increases volume by 3 percent on the master volume control. alsamixer does duplicate the ncurses volume adjustment, but doesn't let you adjust the volume unless you do it interactively.

You can use amixer (part of alsa-utils).

Wasn't aumix used for oss and not alsa mixer changes? Jason

Wednesday 31 October 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote: | On 10/27/07, Damir Perisa wrote: | > acpi should not be removed - i will take it if nobody else | > wants it (dp) | | I snagged this. I use it _alot_ in scripts. | | Other than that, yay, go for it. take it - no problem with this... i would only take it if it is the decision either to trow it out or somebody take it :) - D -- .·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·.¸¸.·´ ° ° ° ° ° ° ><((((º> ° ° ° ° ° <º)))>< <º)))><

Am Samstag, 27. Oktober 2007 schrieb Jan de Groot:

On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 11:14 -0400, Eric Belanger wrote:

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Hi,

As promised, here is a first list of removal candidates. Please go through it to make sure we don't remove a package that, for some reason, should remain in extra. Some of the reason are actually questions (cvsup, gnome-system-tools, ksymoops, makedev, nail, rxvt_ja, rxvt) so it would be nice if someone can answer them. As said before, some of these packages are depends of community packages. Please just dicuss them for now. I would prefer to do the actual removal myself. I will do so in a few days after the discussion.

===================================== Package Reason to remove it. ===================================== libggz unused lib

libggz will be a dependency for gnome-games 2.22

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mt-st low usage: it's for Linux SCSI tape driver

So we don't support tapestreamers with any package by default?

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pdns-ldap unused lib pdns-mysql unused lib pdns-pgsql unused lib

These are backends for powerdns/pdns. With the libmysql/libldap/libpostgresql splitup I think they can be merged with the normal pdns/powerdns package

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On Sat, 27 Oct 2007, Jan de Groot wrote:

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Hi,

As promised, here is a first list of removal candidates. Please go through it to make sure we don't remove a package that, for some reason, should remain in extra. Some of the reason are actually questions (cvsup, gnome-system-tools, ksymoops, makedev, nail, rxvt_ja, rxvt) so it would be nice if someone can answer them. As said before, some of these packages are depends of community packages. Please just dicuss them for now. I would prefer to do the actual removal myself. I will do so in a few days after the discussion.

===================================== Package Reason to remove it. ===================================== libggz unused lib

On Sat, 2007-10-27 at 11:14 -0400, Eric Belanger wrote: libggz will be a dependency for gnome-games 2.22

We'll keep it then.

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mt-st low usage: it's for Linux SCSI tape driver So we don't support tapestreamers with any package by default?

Paul has adopted it. So I removed it from the list. What about the other tape drive tool (mtx)? Do we keep it also?

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pdns-ldap unused lib pdns-mysql unused lib pdns-pgsql unused lib These are backends for powerdns/pdns. With the libmysql/libldap/libpostgresql splitup I think they can be merged with the normal pdns/powerdns package

I guess that means we also keep them, at least as long as there not merged with powerdns/pdns. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

Dale Blount schrieb:

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ksymoops Does it still work? It's a 2 yrs old kernel util. From the version number, it seems that it was for kernel 2.4

I think this still works - the oops format just hasn't changed so it hasn't needed updated. I can't prove it works as I haven't had an oops that hasn't completely broken a box in years (probably a good thing).

I know that in the 2.4 version, one was required to run the oops through ksymoops in order to submit a bug report. That has changed, the oops is reported as-is. What other use for ksymoops is there?

On Sun, 28 Oct 2007, Daniel Isenmann wrote:

Hi,

went through the list and find "beagle". Why removing one of the best desktop search tool? Varun is the maintainer, so why is it on the dev wiki list?

Daniel

These lists are based on the packages that were orphaned about 2 weeks ago. It's possible that some packages have been adopted meanwhile. If you see packages on these list which has a maintainer, remove it from the list. Same procedure if you decide to adopt one of these packages. PS: I removed beagle from the list. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, Roman Kyrylych wrote:

2007/10/27, Eric Belanger :

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Hi,

As promised, here is a first list of removal candidates. Please go through it to make sure we don't remove a package that, for some reason, should remain in extra. Some of the reason are actually questions (cvsup, gnome-system-tools, ksymoops, makedev, nail, rxvt_ja, rxvt) so it would be nice if someone can answer them. As said before, some of these packages are depends of community packages. Please just dicuss them for now. I would prefer to do the actual removal myself. I will do so in a few days after the discussion.

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gnome-system-tools (in unstable) replace with new package from AUR and move to Extra? +1 for updating this. I can take it if noone else wants.

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libesmtp unused lib required by esmtp and balsa - I'll take them all in community

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libgdamm unused lib move to community, I'll adopt it (required by glom)

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libpixman unused lib just curious - is pixman from Testing the same but updated?

other packages that are required by community packages: glitz - by gnustep-back and xgl metakit - by gourmet shapelib - by gpsmanshp and gen2shp

Are these the only packages in the candidate list that are makedepends/depends of community packages? -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

2007/10/31, Jan de Groot :

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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: arch-dev-public-bounces@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-dev-public- bounces@archlinux.org] Namens Roman Kyrylych Verzonden: maandag 29 oktober 2007 16:18 Aan: Public mailing list for ArchLinux development Onderwerp: Re: [arch-dev-public] First list of removal candidates

2007/10/27, Eric Belanger :

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Hi,

As promised, here is a first list of removal candidates. Please go through it to make sure we don't remove a package that, for some

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should remain in extra. Some of the reason are actually questions (cvsup, gnome-system-tools, ksymoops, makedev, nail, rxvt_ja, rxvt) so it would be nice if someone can answer them. As said before, some of

reason, these

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packages are depends of community packages. Please just dicuss them for now. I would prefer to do the actual removal myself. I will do so in a few days after the discussion.

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gnome-system-tools (in unstable) replace with new package from AUR and move to Extra? +1 for updating this. I can take it if noone else wants.

Either remove from unstable and maintain in community, or update in extra and use the AUR version. As the current AUR maintainer is one of the community guys, this would be best in community, unless someone else takes over maintainership and communicates with the original author (it's perl, it's tricky and I won't help :P)

The maintainer of gnome-system-tools, liboobs and gnome-system-tools-backends is not a TU, but I will closely work with him (if noone else adopts it) as I'm not a perl guru. :-P

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2007/10/31, Eric Belanger :

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libesmtp unused lib required by esmtp and balsa - I'll take them all in community

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libgdamm unused lib move to community, I'll adopt it (required by glom)

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libpixman unused lib just curious - is pixman from Testing the same but updated?

other packages that are required by community packages: glitz - by gnustep-back and xgl metakit - by gourmet shapelib - by gpsmanshp and gen2shp

Are these the only packages in the candidate list that are makedepends/depends of community packages?

I think yes, I've checked almost all libraries from this candidate list. -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)

Eric Belanger wrote:

Just a reminder: This weekend, I intend to start cleaning up the packages in the list I submitted in this thread ( http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2007-October/002679.html ) except the following ones which we decided to keep: libggz mt-st neverball pdns-ldap pdns-mysql pdns-pgsql ksymoops makedev gnome-system-tools (in unstable)

I've taken mtx, too. - P

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:

On 11/1/07, Eric Belanger wrote:

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Just a reminder: This weekend, I intend to start cleaning up the packages in the list I submitted in this thread ( http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-dev-public/2007-October/002679.html ) except the following ones which we decided to keep: libggz mt-st neverball pdns-ldap pdns-mysql pdns-pgsql ksymoops makedev gnome-system-tools (in unstable)

You still have 1-2 days to go over the list and to contest the removal of a given package, if you didn't had time to do so yet.

Does the "keepers" list include those that people snagged? I grabbed acpi from the list.

This week-end cleanup will only be of package on the sublist that I submitted to inspection/discussion on this ML. The other packages on the global wiki list (like the packages Damir discussed) will be considered for possible removal in the next week or so. The above keepers are packages that were on the sublist and for which a dev showed interest in adopting or keeping. Before removing anything, I'll check if someone has adopted it since I made the list of orphans. Therefore, any package that has a maintainer is automatically a keeper. -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Aaron Griffin wrote:

On 11/2/07, Eric Belanger wrote:

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This week-end cleanup will only be of package on the sublist that I submitted to inspection/discussion on this ML. The other packages on the global wiki list (like the packages Damir discussed) will be considered for possible removal in the next week or so. The above keepers are packages that were on the sublist and for which a dev showed interest in adopting or keeping. Before removing anything, I'll check if someone has adopted it since I made the list of orphans. Therefore, any package that has a maintainer is automatically a keeper.

Great, thanks a lot. I should (hopefully) be available for most of the weekend to help you out if you need it.

- Aaron

The packages in that first sublist have been removed from extra or unstable. Thanks goes to Damir who has helped me out to add some of the packages in AUR (unsupported). I'll send a second sublist for discussion/revision in the upcoming days. Eric List of packages moved to community repo : ======================================= glitz gtk2+extra libesmtp libgdamm metakit mowitz shapelib ======================================= List of packages moved to unsupported or removed completely: ======================================= asteroids3d atomix cgoban2 cl-ppcre cl-ppmx cl-sdraw connmon cvsup dmalloc easysock eterm eventlog fnlib gdsl gimp-freetype gimp-panorama-tools gkx86info glchess gltron gramofile gtetrinet gtk+extra gtk-thinice-theme gtodo hermes javax-usb libdivxdecore libghttp libnss-mysql libpixman libproplist libsafe libsvg-cairo libunicode lighthouseblue-gtk1 lopster mgm mm nail napshare nurbs++ pclock peacock phpmyadmin pwm ringtonetools rxtx rxvt_ja rxvt sdlmm skyutils spectemu trackballs ucl vcr wwl x264-svn ======================================= -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.