[arch-dev-public] phonon: gstreamer support will be dropped
In short: I have tested several use cases and gstreamer seems not to be usable. So Id' like to disable support for it in upcoming phonon releases. My problems with gstreamer: * graphical glitches when playing some (most) mpeg files * sometimes no sound * bad image quality (no deinterlacing?) * plugins depend on gnome * it plays some videos with wrong aspect ratio * does not seem to be a phonon problem; I had the same problems with totem; using totem-xine fixed those. So, future versions of phonon will only have the xine-backend enabled. Maybe I'll provide other backends when we have the ability to split packages. If you think this is a bad idea, let me know. -- Pierre Schmitz Clemens-August-Straße 76 53115 Bonn Telefon 0228 9716608 Mobil 0160 95269831 Jabber pierre@jabber.archlinux.de WWW http://www.archlinux.de
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:24 AM, Pierre Schmitz <pierre@archlinux.de> wrote:
In short: I have tested several use cases and gstreamer seems not to be usable. So Id' like to disable support for it in upcoming phonon releases.
My problems with gstreamer: * graphical glitches when playing some (most) mpeg files * sometimes no sound * bad image quality (no deinterlacing?) * plugins depend on gnome * it plays some videos with wrong aspect ratio * does not seem to be a phonon problem; I had the same problems with totem; using totem-xine fixed those.
So, future versions of phonon will only have the xine-backend enabled. Maybe I'll provide other backends when we have the ability to split packages.
If you think this is a bad idea, let me know.
I've always hated gstreamer. I used to do a lot of work with DirectShow on Win32, which involved this whole audio-video pipeline setup crap. I remember saying "this is terrible. thank god that linux is much easier in this aspect". A little bit later, gstreamer came out, which does the same sort of stuff as DirectShow did. So, rant aside, I am not a phonon user, but I support removal of crappy software 8)
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 13:30 -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
So, rant aside, I am not a phonon user, but I support removal of crappy software 8)
Heh, linking each and every possible codec straight in your video player makes it really flexible, stable and good. Don't even think about possible licensing issues ;)
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Jan de Groot <jan@jgc.homeip.net> wrote:
On Thu, 2009-01-22 at 13:30 -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
So, rant aside, I am not a phonon user, but I support removal of crappy software 8)
Heh, linking each and every possible codec straight in your video player makes it really flexible, stable and good. Don't even think about possible licensing issues ;)
I've never had a problem with mplayer related to codec issues (most mplayer problems I've had were video driver related). Conversely, I had more issues with gstreamer (when using quodlibet, I think) than I can count. The best part is that the errors are unintelligible... Re: licensing issues. If someone is serious about ffmpeg/mplayer related licensing issues, it's fairly easy to build multiple packages. IIRC ffmpeg's configure script even has a flag to set the license mode to like "GPL only"... or something similar.
the xfce-4.6 mixer is entirely gstreamer based. and it is crappy (aka I can't acces all the mixers that are actually available). Unfortunately, there is no fall back ... I understand any desire to get rid of gstreamer support. -T
Am I the only one that loves gstreamer? I mean I use totem and all the gstreamer-plugins there are, and there is not a single video format I can't play. And all is stable and configuration free. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Tobias Kieslich <tobias@justdreams.de>wrote:
the xfce-4.6 mixer is entirely gstreamer based. and it is crappy (aka I can't acces all the mixers that are actually available). Unfortunately, there is no fall back ...
I understand any desire to get rid of gstreamer support.
-T
participants (5)
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Aaron Griffin
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Eduardo Romero
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Jan de Groot
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Pierre Schmitz
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Tobias Kieslich