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Florian Pritz

13 Feb 2012 13 Feb '12

4:13 p.m.

Hi, ftp connects way slower than http, especially for lots of small files, since it has to connect back to the client each time. Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list. -- Florian Pritz -- {flo,bluewind}@server-speed.net

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Dave Reisner

13 Feb 13 Feb

5:54 p.m.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 05:13:33PM +0100, Florian Pritz wrote:

Hi,

ftp connects way slower than http, especially for lots of small files, since it has to connect back to the client each time.

Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list.

-- Florian Pritz -- {flo,bluewind}@server-speed.net

+1 to this. In case you think FTP is still a good idea in 2012, here's some reading for you, with varying amounts of bias: - http://daniel.haxx.se/docs/ftp-vs-http.html - http://mywiki.wooledge.org/FtpMustDie d

Giovanni Scafora

6:05 p.m.

Il 13/02/2012 17:13, Florian Pritz ha scritto:

Hi,

ftp connects way slower than http, especially for lots of small files, since it has to connect back to the client each time.

Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list.

+1 -- Arch Linux Developer http://www.archlinux.org http://www.archlinux.it

Dan McGee

6:15 p.m.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Florian Pritz wrote:

Hi,

ftp connects way slower than http, especially for lots of small files, since it has to connect back to the client each time.

Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list.

+1 from me, but can you elaborate on what you mean by "default"? I can think of any of the following, want to make sure we are on the same page: * pacman-mirrorlist package * install ISO mirrorlist (completely omitted, or simply commented out?) * unchecking FTP by default at https://www.archlinux.org/mirrorlist/ -Dan

Florian Pritz

6:21 p.m.

On 13.02.2012 19:15, Dan McGee wrote:

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:13 AM, Florian Pritz wrote:

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Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list.

+1 from me, but can you elaborate on what you mean by "default"? I can think of any of the following, want to make sure we are on the same page:

pacman-mirrorlist I believe the ISO uses pacman-mirrorlist and just prepends the selected mirror. If ships it's own file, I'd like to change that too.

* unchecking FTP by default at https://www.archlinux.org/mirrorlist/

I don't know how many people actually get their lists from there, but unchecking by default won't hurt. I didn't think of this so thanks for mentioning it. -- Florian Pritz

Ionut Biru

6:25 p.m.

On 02/13/2012 06:13 PM, Florian Pritz wrote:

Hi,

ftp connects way slower than http, especially for lots of small files, since it has to connect back to the client each time.

Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list.

what about our "default" ftp.archlinux.org ? -- Ionuț

Florian Pritz

6:54 p.m.

On 13.02.2012 19:25, Ionut Biru wrote:

On 02/13/2012 06:13 PM, Florian Pritz wrote:

...
Hi,

ftp connects way slower than http, especially for lots of small files, since it has to connect back to the client each time.

Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list.

what about our "default" ftp.archlinux.org ?

We always tell users not to use it because it's throttled so that's not a big loss. Put kernel.org at the top (I believe it is already) and make that the default. They have mirrors in different countries and enough bandwidth. If you are talking about the sources and other directories: kernel.org has those too. -- Florian Pritz

Tom Gundersen

14 Feb 14 Feb

2:22 a.m.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Florian Pritz wrote:

ftp connects way slower than http, especially for lots of small files, since it has to connect back to the client each time.

Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list.

Maybe an exception could be made for those servers that are only available as ftp? As pointed out by Abdul Halim Mat Ali on arch-general, the only Singaporean mirror is ftp only. In my experience I have a few times had use for ftp servers when the http servers are not working. This is hardly a problem in Central Europe, as we have so many mirrors here, but in other parts of the world it is more relevant. -t

Thomas Dziedzic

3:01 a.m.

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 5:13 PM, Florian Pritz wrote:

...
ftp connects way slower than http, especially for lots of small files, since it has to connect back to the client each time.

Since I don't see any benefit over http and ftp is old, I propose to remove all the ftp mirrors from the default mirror list.

Maybe an exception could be made for those servers that are only available as ftp? As pointed out by Abdul Halim Mat Ali on arch-general, the only Singaporean mirror is ftp only.

In my experience I have a few times had use for ftp servers when the http servers are not working. This is hardly a problem in Central Europe, as we have so many mirrors here, but in other parts of the world it is more relevant.

-t

I never had a problem with http servers that didn't affect ftp servers. I think in cases like Abdul's it would be sensible to make an exception and leave his server in the mirrorlist (and possibly others in his situation?). Hungary also seems to be another country with only a single mirror that's ftp. I didn't find any others. -Thomas Dziedzic

Gaetan Bisson

3:42 a.m.

[2012-02-13 21:01:53 -0600] Thomas Dziedzic:

On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Tom Gundersen wrote:

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Maybe an exception could be made for those servers that are only available as ftp? As pointed out by Abdul Halim Mat Ali on arch-general, the only Singaporean mirror is ftp only.

I think in cases like Abdul's it would be sensible to make an exception and leave his server in the mirrorlist (and possibly others in his situation?). Hungary also seems to be another country with only a single mirror that's ftp.

We could kindly ask them if they will have the Arch mirror on HTTP too. -- Gaetan

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Dan McGee
Dave Reisner
Florian Pritz
Gaetan Bisson
Giovanni Scafora
Ionut Biru
Thomas Dziedzic
Tom Gundersen