Configure mailing lists to automatically reject mails by non-members
Hi all, I'm currently partly moderating mailing lists for Arch Linux. Since we've switched to mailman3 I receive *a lot* of info from the system, that mails are being held in the moderation queue due to being sent by non-members of the respective lists. IMHO, we should configure all of our mailing lists to be subscription only (i.e. automatically reject all mail by non-members). It makes no sense for anyone to moderate these emails and is a huge waste of time for people dealing with the moderation of the lists (I get enough spam everyday as it is... ;-)). While at it: To my knowledge, we are currently still allowing HTML emails to be sent to the lists and I think those should be automatically rejected as well, as it is unnecessary bloat and is not fitting our context at all (we are not trying to click-track users on a commercial info list). Best, David -- https://sleepmap.de
On 2022-07-21 10:15, David Runge wrote:
Hi all,
I'm currently partly moderating mailing lists for Arch Linux. Since we've switched to mailman3 I receive *a lot* of info from the system, that mails are being held in the moderation queue due to being sent by non-members of the respective lists.
IMHO, we should configure all of our mailing lists to be subscription only (i.e. automatically reject all mail by non-members). It makes no sense for anyone to moderate these emails and is a huge waste of time for people dealing with the moderation of the lists (I get enough spam everyday as it is... ;-)).
Sounds reasonable to me.
While at it: To my knowledge, we are currently still allowing HTML emails to be sent to the lists and I think those should be automatically rejected as well, as it is unnecessary bloat and is not fitting our context at all (we are not trying to click-track users on a commercial info list).
Kill it!
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 08:54:20AM -0700, Brett Cornwall wrote:
On 2022-07-21 10:15, David Runge wrote:
Hi all,
I'm currently partly moderating mailing lists for Arch Linux. Since we've switched to mailman3 I receive *a lot* of info from the system, that mails are being held in the moderation queue due to being sent by non-members of the respective lists.
IMHO, we should configure all of our mailing lists to be subscription only (i.e. automatically reject all mail by non-members). It makes no sense for anyone to moderate these emails and is a huge waste of time for people dealing with the moderation of the lists (I get enough spam everyday as it is... ;-)).
Sounds reasonable to me.
While at it: To my knowledge, we are currently still allowing HTML emails to be sent to the lists and I think those should be automatically rejected as well, as it is unnecessary bloat and is not fitting our context at all (we are not trying to click-track users on a commercial info list).
Kill it!
+1
On 7/21/22 17:54, Brett Cornwall wrote:
On 2022-07-21 10:15, David Runge wrote:
Hi all,
I'm currently partly moderating mailing lists for Arch Linux. Since we've switched to mailman3 I receive *a lot* of info from the system, that mails are being held in the moderation queue due to being sent by non-members of the respective lists.
IMHO, we should configure all of our mailing lists to be subscription only (i.e. automatically reject all mail by non-members). It makes no sense for anyone to moderate these emails and is a huge waste of time for people dealing with the moderation of the lists (I get enough spam everyday as it is... ;-)).
Sounds reasonable to me.
While at it: To my knowledge, we are currently still allowing HTML emails to be sent to the lists and I think those should be automatically rejected as well, as it is unnecessary bloat and is not fitting our context at all (we are not trying to click-track users on a commercial info list).
Kill it!
I fully agree with both statements
Hi all, On 2022-07-21 10:15:12 (+0200), David Runge wrote:
I'm currently partly moderating mailing lists for Arch Linux. Since we've switched to mailman3 I receive *a lot* of info from the system, that mails are being held in the moderation queue due to being sent by non-members of the respective lists.
IMHO, we should configure all of our mailing lists to be subscription only (i.e. automatically reject all mail by non-members). It makes no sense for anyone to moderate these emails and is a huge waste of time for people dealing with the moderation of the lists (I get enough spam everyday as it is... ;-)).
While at it: To my knowledge, we are currently still allowing HTML emails to be sent to the lists and I think those should be automatically rejected as well, as it is unnecessary bloat and is not fitting our context at all (we are not trying to click-track users on a commercial info list).
There has not been anything but positive feedback and no further feedback in a few weeks. I conclude that people agree and changes the mailing lists setup to automatically drop mails by non-list-members and to reject those sent with mime/htmlwill be implemented soon in the infrastructure repository. Best, David -- https://sleepmap.de
On Thu, Jul 21, 2022 at 10:15:12AM +0200, David Runge wrote:
IMHO, we should configure all of our mailing lists to be subscription only (i.e. automatically reject all mail by non-members). It makes no sense for anyone to moderate these emails and is a huge waste of time for people dealing with the moderation of the lists (I get enough spam everyday as it is... ;-)).
Yo! Sorry for late reply, vacation and hackercamp :) I have one exception I'd like us to make regarding auto rejection. Historically the aur-requests list has not required subscription to reply. At some point this was removed and I think it's unreasonable for AUR maintainers to subscribe to the high traffic aur-requests just so they can reply to emails. It also decreases the value for having the list in the first place if people don't bother to reply to the requests they are being emailed. -- Morten Linderud PGP: 9C02FF419FECBE16
On 2022-08-09 09:43:49 (+0200), Morten Linderud wrote:
I have one exception I'd like us to make regarding auto rejection.
Historically the aur-requests list has not required subscription to reply. At some point this was removed and I think it's unreasonable for AUR maintainers to subscribe to the high traffic aur-requests just so they can reply to emails.
It also decreases the value for having the list in the first place if people don't bother to reply to the requests they are being emailed.
I see that being a problem going forward, as it requires manual intervention by a moderator if things go wrong (e.g. spam), but I also see the issue with the signup for that mailing list. Not really sure how to solve that without wasting people hours on it though :S I'd be fine having it non-signup, but I also wouldn't want to do moderation for that list then tbh. Either way: I guess we need to update our documentation in regards to this in the wiki and also in the respective list overview pages so that people are instructed to sign up (if they have not done so already). Best, David -- https://sleepmap.de
participants (5)
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Andreas 'Segaja' Schleifer
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Brett Cornwall
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David Runge
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Frederik Schwan
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Morten Linderud