[arch-dev-public] Fwd: AUR ToS (aka making AUR user names public)
Hello, the following email is from the former Arch developer Phil Thiselton. He can no longer post to arch-dev-public, so I am forwarding this on his behalf. He revisits the arguments from my original email on why I think that user names cannot be called "private data". Forwarded message from Phil Thiselton (2017-03-06 12:06:22):
Hi Lukas
You don't know me but I used be an Arch Linux dev. I read you email to the arch-dev-public mailing list with real interest and just wanted to add some commentary. I, obviously, can't reply to the list.
IANAL but I do have a lot of data protection and information governance experience.
Firstly, in the UK, your username for a service is not protected by any laws. It's not considered to be personal information. I seriously doubt any country considers it to be.
Secondly, I don't think there is any reason not to disclose information that is already publicly available. You could advise AUR users that "you" intend to share this information. Users cannot effectively opt out of this because their username is already public. A realistic opt-out would be to delete their account. You can offer them that option.
Thirdly, a lack of a ToS or EULA, in this case, is pretty remiss. A ToS or EULA should definitely be implemented. I would build this into the backend, so agreement to the ToS is stored in the dbase. This way you can ask existing users to log into the account and accept the new terms. You can say that acceptance is a requirement of continued use. Set a deadline and delete the accounts that don't accept.
I strongly suspect "you" are storing out dated information for many users in the AUR and many of these should be deleted anyway.
Finally, I would start with a ToS/EULA simply as a statement of what signing up CURRENTLY means. Completely avoid extending the scope of ToS beyond what should be obvious to current users.
Do not seek permission to share information with 3rd parties but do make it clear that limited information is already accessible to third parties.
Once this is established you can then make later amendments. For example, that you will provide publicly available data on request.
Personally, if anyone even talks about "privacy" with regard to their username, I would laugh. They should have no expectation that their username is private. Users number one concern would be about their real name being linked to their username. I can't see there is a legitimate service reason for adding your real name to the AUR account details, so I'd consider deleting that from the interface entirely. I'd consider checking the dbase to see who has actually completed that field as well.
I'd have a slight security concern about links between the username and email address but that's up to the users.
Hope that helps.
Best,
Phil
When I asked him whether I should forward the email to the mailing list, I got the following reply with some more details: Forwarded message from Phil Thiselton (2017-03-06 17:01:35):
Hi Lukas
Happy for you to forward it on but I would like to expand on the privacy of usernames comment and why the idea is laughable.
In the AUR, your username is also your display name, as it is for many other services (Twitter,Github). Usernames are one way in which real names can be obfuscated i.e they act as pseudonym. Unless the argument is one of security (username is part of authentication) the idea that your username should be private would require a further abstraction of "identity", which, at some point, becomes absurd.
The security argument is weak too - I assume the AUR protects password brute forcing?
The real solution, if someone were concerned about "privacy", would be never to reuse the same username for more than one service. Again, that's in user hands.
Best,
Phil
Best regards, Lukas
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Lukas Fleischer