[arch-dev-public] WTF? i686 support?

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Aaron Griffin

1 Apr 2009 1 Apr '09

3:20 a.m.

I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

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Simo Leone

1 Apr 1 Apr

5:11 a.m.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:20:37PM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

You're welcome to fork and maintain your own distro. -S

Vesa Kaihlavirta

5:45 a.m.

I strongly resent this decision and think it might not be valid anyway because it didn't go through the official developer voting procedures. Or was this one of those inner circle votes? Why didn't you let us new devs vote on this? --vk (vegai)

Tom K

6:33 a.m.

Aaron Griffin wrote:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

Aaron - this is the PUBLIC list.... :o T.

Thomas Bächler

7:07 a.m.

Aaron Griffin schrieb:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw.

We voted WITH you, you just decided not to participate. Just because you are the overlord doesn't mean you get a veto!

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If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

You know what, if you're going to act like that, we don't need you!

Allan McRae

7:37 a.m.

Thomas Bächler wrote:

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Aaron Griffin schrieb:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw.

We voted WITH you, you just decided not to participate. Just because you are the overlord doesn't mean you get a veto!

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If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

You know what, if you're going to act like that, we don't need you!

Probably a good idea to make one of the original x86_64 creators the new overlord anyway... Allan

Travis Willard

12:29 p.m.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

I told them. I told them you'd be pissed off. I mean, waiting until you were away was a low blow. Yeah guys, I said it. LOW BLOW. Makes me glad I got out of there when I did. :/

Eduardo Romero

12:54 p.m.

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On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:20 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686

On Wednesday 01 April 2009 08:29:35 am Travis Willard wrote: port,

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and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

I told them. I told them you'd be pissed off. I mean, waiting until you were away was a low blow.

Yeah guys, I said it. LOW BLOW.

Makes me glad I got out of there when I did. :/ I know is hard, but well, the overlord accounts for one vote as well, so your vote wouldn't have saved the day. As sad as it seems.

Pierre Schmitz

1:15 p.m.

Am Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 05:20:37 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

This is just typical for Americans. They tend to be so proud of being one of the oldest democracies but when the result of a vote does not match their interest they start whining like a little child. Anyway: We should decide on the schedule asap. People are already confused. So here is my proposal: * We should maintain the core repo for i686 till the end of the year. It's not that much work and it would give the people enough time to migrate. * The [extra] update should be maintained until July; KDE 4.3 will be released then and be the first x86_64 exclusive set of packages. * The [community]-i686 repo should be removed between now and July; but this has to be decided by the TUs. Till then we should concentrate on giving every dev access to x86_64 machines; see Dusty's thread. Pierre -- Pierre Schmitz Clemens-August-Straße 76 53115 Bonn Telefon 0228 9716608 Mobil 0160 95269831 Jabber pierre@jabber.archlinux.de WWW http://www.archlinux.de

Dusty Phillips

1:21 p.m.

2009/4/1 Pierre Schmitz :

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Till then we should concentrate on giving every dev access to x86_64 machines; see Dusty's thread.

Yeah but Aaron's got the donations account. What are the chances a disgruntled American will give that up in this economy? :-( Dusty

James Rayner

1:34 p.m.

On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 12:15 AM, Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 05:20:37 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

This is just typical for Americans. They tend to be so proud of being one of the oldest democracies but when the result of a vote does not match their interest they start whining like a little child.

*sigh* politics! You're right though, it doesnt matter how many cars phrak throws, the decision stands.

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Anyway: We should decide on the schedule asap. People are already confused. So here is my proposal:

* We should maintain the core repo for i686 till the end of the year. It's not that much work and it would give the people enough time to migrate. * The [extra] update should be maintained until July; KDE 4.3 will be released then and be the first x86_64 exclusive set of packages. * The [community]-i686 repo should be removed between now and July; but this has to be decided by the TUs.

What difference does a few months make? Might as well save us the trouble and ditch it by the end of this month seeing as everyone knows now.

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Till then we should concentrate on giving every dev access to x86_64 machines; see Dusty's thread.

I've setup SSH on my box if anyone needs one in the meantime. What's the status on pacbuild? James

Allan McRae

1:36 p.m.

Pierre Schmitz wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 1. April 2009 05:20:37 schrieb Aaron Griffin:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

This is just typical for Americans. They tend to be so proud of being one of the oldest democracies but when the result of a vote does not match their interest they start whining like a little child.

Anyway: We should decide on the schedule asap. People are already confused. So here is my proposal:

* We should maintain the core repo for i686 till the end of the year. It's not that much work and it would give the people enough time to migrate.

I am thinking of hosting my own repo with some/most of i686 base and base-devel. This will make it easy to set up an i686 chroot (which is better than lib32 if you think about how the lib32 packages are made...). But I will do that on my own server. Allan

Dusty Phillips

1:45 p.m.

2009/4/1 Allan McRae :

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I am thinking of hosting my own repo with some/most of i686 base and base-devel. This will make it easy to set up an i686 chroot (which is better than lib32 if you think about how the lib32 packages are made...). But I will do that on my own server.

I'm sure the community will come up with an i686 port, so I wouldn't bother (unless you want to head it up...). I know the 586 and ppc ports haven't been all that successful, but Arch64 was. Dusty

Aaron Griffin

2 Apr 2 Apr

2:14 a.m.

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Aaron Griffin wrote:

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I specifically told you guys that we were NOT dropping the i686 port, and you guys went and voted on it without me? This is the last straw. If you guys don't fix this now, consider this my last email.

Oh yeah... just kidding

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Aaron Griffin
Allan McRae
Dusty Phillips
Eduardo Romero
James Rayner
Pierre Schmitz
Simo Leone
Thomas Bächler
Tom K
Travis Willard
Vesa Kaihlavirta