August 2012 - Arch-general - lists.archlinux.org

Re: [arch-general] [arch-dev-public] Migration to systemd
by Calvin Morrison 18 Aug '12

18 Aug '12

On 14 August 2012 10:57, Stéphane Gaudreault <stephane(a)archlinux.org> wrote: > Systemd has a overall better design than SysV, lots of useful administrative > features and provide quicker boot up. Considering that it has been around in > our repositories for some time and that it could be considered stable enough > for production use, I would suggest to replace iniscript by systemd once the > 'Missing systemd units' is over. Thus we will avoid duplicating our efforts > on two init systems. > > Any objections to start the migration process ? > > Cheers, > > Stéphane > > I'd love to see the overall advantages and disadvantages of each of those fleshed out on a page where I can read them - I know I can't order anyone to do it, and my comment doesn't effect the outcome, but I would really like to see a good explanation of the advantages in an unbiased (aka not by LP) explanation of why it is better for arch. Is systemd suckless? is it easy to maintain? is it going to around for several years? have we considered Upstart? what about OpenRC? before Arch jump ship, I would love to see some good details. I have been trying to keep up Tom's posts on the general, so maybe I should revisit them. Calvin

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[arch-general] Arch-general is becoming a mess !
by fredbezies 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

Hello. I'm an old archlinux user (first installation back in december 2008), and for a long time, I was very satisfied with arch-general. But some people - can we define them as bottom holes ? - are rotting this mailing list, and the community too. Last threads on systemd was useless. And I can understand that every single developer will unsuscribe. As a user, I will do so too. I think archlinux community needs a little clean up and kick the bottom of people who are not arguing but messing lists. I won't post anymore on this list, but I wanted to express my mind here. Please, excuse my bad english, it is 10 pm where I live. -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies(a)gmail.com

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[arch-general] /etc/modules-load.d | /etc/modprobe.d -- options determinative?
by David C. Rankin 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

Guys, Reading the wiki pages regarding /etc/modules-load.d and /etc/modprobe.d, is the only difference that makes /etc/modules-load.d to correct place for the <moduleconfname>.conf file a lack of options required on module load? Or put another way, if options need to be provided along with the module name on load, then use /etc/modprobe.d/<moduleconfname>.conf otherwise if just the module name is required, use: /etc/modules-load.d/<moduleconfname>.conf? That was the only difference I saw in their use in the wiki. Anything else? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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[arch-general] systemd
by Fred Verschueren 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

First of all I 'm new user of these distribution list and I do not know if this is the correct place to post my problem and ask for help. If not my apology and please refer me to to the correct place. I' m using Arch now for several years on a desktop and a laptob without severe problems. Few days ago I changed to systemd both on the laptop and desktop. For the laptop all went fine and I' m able to boot using systemd and the system is up and running as before. The only difference between laptop and desktop is that the /home partition on the desktop is on a SW raid My problem: When booting with init=/bin/systemd I have the following phenomenon: Job dev-mapper-nvidia_cjjcaiiep1.device/start timed out and booting stops and I'm in a rescue shell. my /home partition is not mounted. /dev/mapper/nvidia_cjjcaiiep1 exists. Systemctl start dev-mapper-nvidia_cjjcaiiep1.device gives the same result timeout. and my /home is not mounted When I do a manual mount of the /home partition mount /dev/mapper/nvidia_cjjcaiiep1 /home /home is mounted Systemctl default my system resumes booting and finally comes online. I 'm new to systemd so if someone can be so kind to give me some hints how / where to start searching for the problem or maybe the problem is already known ... Thanks in advance. Fred

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Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd
by mike cloaked 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:23 PM, teseo(a)broletto.org <teseo(a)broletto.org> wrote: >> most of which are systems using systemd. Given that so many machines >> are currently running systemd it can't be all that bad! This is of >> > How many machines are currently running Windows*? > Surely that is not particularly relevant - Windows users are largely people who are not computer literate (though some fraction of Windows users are able to do some real hacking but not too many as a fraction of the total). They are users who got Windows as "the" system when they bought their laptops/desktops, and are none the wiser that any alternative exists - on the other hand the majority of linux users are computer literate, hands-on, people who know that they have choices - and if they are using a particular flavour of linux and find they don't like it then they have the knowledge and power to change it and move to a different distribution - so the majority of Windows users who find problems will seek a Windows guru to fix their machine ( or re-install it from scratch, clean up the registry, run "defrag" and other tools to try and get working until Microsoft eventually delivers the next great version of Windows ). On the other hand linux users if they "really" don't like what they see will change their system - if they don't like Gnome they can use KDE, LXDE, XFCE etc - and if they are Fedora users and "really" don't like systemd then they can move to another distribution where systemd is not the default - they have alternatives - So logic would suggest that the inferences drawn from large numbers of linux users is likely to be different from the inference about even larger numbers of Windows users. -- mike c

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Re: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd
by teseo＠broletto.org 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

Jn Inviato da HTC ----- Reply message ----- Da: "Jorge Almeida" <jjalmeida(a)gmail.com> A: "General Discussion about Arch Linux" <arch-general(a)archlinux.org> Oggetto: [arch-general] Arch Linux and systemd Data: ven, ago 17, 2012 11:48 On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 10:31 AM, mike cloaked <mike.cloaked(a)gmail.com> wrote: > most of which are systems using systemd. Given that so many machines > are currently running systemd it can't be all that bad! This is of > How many machines are currently running Windows*? Jorge Almeida

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[arch-general] fprint with gdm
by Δημήτρης Ζέρβας 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

hello, can anyone help me use fprint with gdm? su, sudo and login works just nice also, when I try to fprint-enroll wether i specify -f left-index-finger or not, it will ask for my right index thank you in advance! -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.)

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[arch-general] Suspend to ram and uresume hook for systemd
by Myra Nelson 17 Aug '12

17 Aug '12

Since I'm still wading my way through some of the intricacies (read small details) and in view of the recent discussion on libcrypt, keysize, key values, and systemd; I've been using uswsusp-git from the aur and s2ram -f for my suspend command. /etc/suspend.conf has /dev/snapshot and /dev/sda4 (swap) for the image. Suspension and reboot have been working fine. After rebuilding my initramfs image with the uresume hook, when I tried to reboot today the boot process hung at waiting for libgcrypt. In my infinite wisdom, after testing the suspend and reboot several times before using the uresume hook, I had uresume in both images. I don't use encrypted volumes and never have. I chrooted in and rebuilt the initramfs image without the uresume hook, rebooted, and everything worked great. I tried using systemctl suspend from the wiki article. The machine goes down but won't come back up without a complete restart, fsck volumes that were not cleanly unmounted, etc. Since this is a desktop, I really don't need the suspend option, it's just nice to save a little electricity. The systemctl shutdown and sytemctl reboot work great. I admit to not having done a lot of research but based on the recent discussions and changes with systemd, does anyone know what caused this hiccup? Myra -- Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!

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[arch-general] Pacman, adding comments to the packages
by Joker-jar 16 Aug '12

16 Aug '12

Hello, I propose to add the ability to add comments to the packages in pacman. For example, sometimes you need to install packages as a optional or makedepend. I always do it with --as-deps key. Later, when you run "pacman -Qdt" to see and cleanup orphan packages you can't distinguish really orphan packages and packages installed via the reasons, describedabove. In this case comments to the packages could be very useful. Sorry fo my english :)

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[arch-general] Update on Trinity - 2 versions available R14 and 3.5.13-sru
by David C. Rankin 16 Aug '12

16 Aug '12

All, There have been a few noteworthy developments with the Trinity project for Arch. There will be essentially 2 versions available. The primary focus of the project is currently on TDE 14.0.0 (R14) which is TQt3 based and due to executable renaming, it can be installed along side kde4 without conflict. As R14 development went forward, new updates have been continually backported to the stable 3.5.13 branch of the GIT tree. This has resulted in a completely updated branch of TDE 3.5.13 code which is still Qt3 based and retains all backwards compatibility with KDE 3.5.10. This TDE branch is referred to as (3.5.13-sru). The backporting of updates and patches to 3.5.13-sru has created a branch in the GIT tree that can provide a traditional KDE3/Qt3 desktop built on all current Arch Linux libraries. To Arch users, this is essentially kdemod3.next. I have binaries available for both R14 and 3.5.13-sru that I need to find server space to host on. I have had several downloaded from my home server, but that is just not workable. I would like to get all of the binaries available to anyone interested for testing so that anything overlooked can be discovered and found. (Yes - sftp://whereever now work from any file open/save dialog now :) If anybody knows of available server space or can let me use ~1.2G of space, I can upload all 4 sets of packages R14.0.0/{i686,x86_64} and 3.5.13-sru/{i686,x86_64}. Let me know if you or anyone you know have some to spare. My guess there would probably be a dozen downloads from interested Archers. Let me know. Thanks! -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.

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