I think making the terminology clearer is a benefit to English speakers at all levels of language mastery. Calling the things what they are, that is unmaintained package and unneeded package, is an overall improvement to clarity, and also sidesteps the confusion stemming from one word meaning something different in different but adjacent contexts. ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On Friday, March 12th, 2021 at 1:40 PM, mike lojkovic via arch-general <arch-general@lists.archlinux.org> wrote:
This is really only an issue for non-fluent English speakers. We have to
cater towards one language or terms get confusing and on the other end
overly verbose. Both usages of orphan (aur, and packages) match conceptual
categories for the term, meaning abandoned. They're each just abandoned in
different senses. For simplicity sake I would not suggest going into the
nuances of different words meaning different types of abandonment. You'll
just end up splitting hairs and progress towards complicating the
terminology for rather simple package maintenance, while adding no new
package management features.
On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 2:19 AM Óscar García Amor via arch-general <
arch-general@lists.archlinux.org> wrote:
El jue, 11 mar 2021 a las 17:40, Elvis Stansvik via arch-general
(arch-general@lists.archlinux.org) escribió:
Yes, "abandoned" is good indeed. Although, I would prefer to have
orphan
packages on my system be called "unneeded" packages. It is much more
precise in
my opinion.
I also think, completely irregardless of the double usage question and
how
you can either think of it as problematic or not depending on how narrow
contexts you consider, that the term in AUR should be changed. I suggest
"unmaintained" though.
Agree. Is better definition, "abandoned" can create confusion and you
can think that is "abandoned" by upstream, but "unmaintained" takes
the point.
I think "unneeded" instead of "orphan" for the pacman context sounds good
too, but have no strong opinion.
Or "unnecessary".
Greetings.
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