Maarten de Vries ALIANDIKA: # pacman -Rs $(pacman -Qqdt) Unfortunately this will break my system. It's trying to remove git for one thing, which is definitely something I need. Not to mention that I installed git explicitly, so pacman definitely shouldn't be removing it. I can see a whole lot of other explicitly installed packages as well as packages that are installed as build dependencies that would also be removed using this method, which is unacceptable at least on my system. On the initial topic of this thread, there has to be a cleaner way to be sure that packages like libxfont get removed in an automated way because they are no longer needed, rather than my upgrade causing an error because a package that is no longer in the repository breaks the upgrade instead of just being removed. It also doesn't help that there wasn't even so much as a news post on the subject before this unclean update was introduced. And when people are called stupid and worse for reporting and reopening a bug report because their upgrade process was broken and no news post was announced, I don't care how many times the bug report was reopened, users, even experienced users like myself, find this very off-putting. It does more to drive good people away than it does to help anyone. TBH I'm actually glad someone brought this to the public list and that the link to the closed bug report was added, so that we can see the true nature of the beast here. Users are never supposed to be the enemy, but even experienced power users who have contributed and don't post much to the list except to try to help when possible now feel we are being treated like last weeks garbage due to the handling of this dirty package upgrade, the lack of a news post and subsequent insults hurled at the community for reporting the bug, and yes, it is a bug, even if the best resolution is to post news. At the very least, a better explanation is in order, rather than insulting the intelligence of users and outright name calling because someone disagrees with the concept of a dirty upgrade being a bug. Imetumwa kutoka habari zetu