On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 16:57 +0100, Martti Kühne wrote:
it's actually possible to get most features that come with gdm, eg. session chooser, working with xdm.
This was the same for GDM. What would you do if the next upgrade will make XDM depend to PA? Of cause, you'll simply install another login manager. But what will you do if really important applications get such an unneeded dependency and it will break your work flow completely? That's the point. Again and again and again, it's no problem as long as it is for PA only and you've the knowledge to build a dummy package. Fortunately some packaging things for Arch are completely different to some old major distros. So, in this case it seems to be an issue cause upstream, but the more people understand what's the problem is, the better WE can inform upstream. Reading the last mails, there are a lot of misunderstandings, e.g. simply use jackdbus etc.. Btw. for other distros software sometimes is picked to pieces, e.g. libjack and jackd and all the times there were issues related to this. Regarding to this Jack isn't issue for any distro I know today, but dependency hell still is an issue, even for Arch. On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 15:52 +0000, Mauro Santos wrote: I know that alsa devs and pa dev(s) already did their fair share of
blame throwing, it might be a case of pa missing some important features/support or doing something that doesn't make sense but I wouldn't discard the possibility of bugs in drivers for less common cards
What are "less common" audio cards? Envy24 is a very common microchip used by tons of audio cards, not only for audio production. RME are the only good supported, professional cards for Linux, that's why they are not exotic for audio production. Those cards have drivers that work. When I've got a set up and I'll upgrade it, it's ok if things get borked, because of a new sound server. But if a group of people file bug reports, than it's ignorant not to fix the new sound server, but instead to demand that it must become dependency for more and more software even if it has nothing to do with audio. - Ralf