While I would like to support @Tobias idea of splitting the list I also agree with all the following emails. Btw, so much time using Arch and I've never heard about http://www.reddit.com/r/archlinux, thanks for that. I only want to add an observation to what was already said: Tipically all this flame seems to arise at the gates of new'n profound changes and as such it's perfectly understandable that these kind of things happens. We Arch Linux users are a kind of users who: 1. loves to know. While we are glad to solve a specific issue that's graying our hair, we will *not* be satisfied until we understand what the hell was happening and all the inner workings of that - that's a fact. 2. we don't like to let anybody hold our hand (well, I would let Eva Mendes hold mine... ) and as such we tend to be a bit grumpy about those users who come for help without actually _thinking_ about what can be the problem or at least without searching the forums, the wiki and the intertubes. On the other hand we are totally open to those folks that come with a problem explaining what's happenig, what they did and the results (in part because we enjoy solving these puzzles). 3. we are mostly self taught, autodidacts. As such we each develop an almost _unique_ way to interact with our systems and as such are our viewpoints about general GNU/Linux and F/LOSS and everything's else in life: yeah, we are free thinkers. 4. as a result of above we usually tailor our systems to our own personal taste and way to use it. 5. as a result of above we usually have a *strong* opinion about things, specially that things that may/will change the way we use our system - and here is when flames arise. 6. in the end we all love Arch with it's drawbacks -thankfully not many- and all it awesomeness, and deeply we know that while there are some aspects that aren't exactly the way we expect or at least how we would like them to be, the reality is that when we see how other distros works, when we have to deal with other distros because work, support to friends, our LUGs or anything else, we don't like them: while there may be some puntual things that may appeal to us the overall system _don't_! So Arch Linux's the way, what else? (At least this is how I feel regarding the rest of GNU/Linux distros since I first meet Arch a few years ago.) As a result of above I forsee more flaming in the future whenever a critical update or shift (like systemd is) come, that's shitty but's a natural reaction and thus we need to remain patient to passionate arguments and stubborn people - which in no way means to sacrifice our opinions. Regarding the flow of new users it's likely they *must* learn our house rules rather to we accomodate to them. I consider the forums, the wiki, this list and Arch Linux in general as my house in what F/LOSS regards and I don't like to see it vandalized - and wont allow that. A bit of trolling is funny as well too much politeness is insufferable and I can accomodate a low-hit if a say or ask for something stupid -and I will be the first to make laugh of myself for that- but newcomers should to be _clearly_ aware that we don't like nor support bad attitude and that we can hold their hands only to help them start: in this regard I can say Arch Linux is one of the most both friendly and connoisseur communities abroad GNU/Linux-land and I'm most grateful for it for help me start using this great distro when I first switched from *buntu-land. I'm but sure that now the systemd adoption is a fact we will have peaceful times ahead with the usual chit-chat and the new technologie seek-for-aid mails so I vote to give us -this list- some time before commit any change like splitting or anything else. Also I would like to encourage any dev, TU or skillful users that might have unsubscribed in the recent time to subscribe again an help push arch-general to it's greatest potential. Greetings!