On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 6:59 PM, phani <listmail@phanisvara.com> wrote:
On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 23:10:38 +0530, Denis A. Altoé Falqueto <denisfalqueto@gmail.com> wrote:
Replace "gold" with "willing and skills to help", and you're right.
what strikes me is that pretty much all who have the skills, do the work, and make the decisions in (almost) all the major distros came to the conclusion that systemd is the way to go: fedora, openSUSE, arch, (and debian, but they are stuck with supporting non-linux systems. (and if ubuntu is still 'linux' is another question.)
since i don't have those skills and have to depend on those who have,
For all the long winded opinions that have been expressed on this list I can say that from "direct experience" of running Fedora 16 with systemd from its release date, I have had around 9 months of solid problem-free running with several systems running that operating system - and never once had an issue with systemd of any kind - some are plain user machines and others are servers. OK so I only had 6 machines running it - three desktops and three laptops - so it is not statistically significant - but nevertheless the people who say there are major problems with systemd are actually talking without the basis of experience of many people who have been using it for real in earnest for quite some time already. I have no doubt whatsoever that the arch developer team will prepare the packages and configs to make the transition as seemless and painless as possible for the vast majority of arch users - of course there may be a few corner cases where an issue arises and then the problems will be investigated, diagnosed and fixed (usually via bug reports but sometimes via discussion on this list or the forums) - with notes added to lists and wikis so that anyone else hitting the same issue for a particular setup will have information available to reach a fix without too much heartache. We live in a dynamic and cutting edge world with the latest linux software - and as far as I remember it was already stated that initscripts would be kept parallel with systemd for anyone that wanted to retain their original system at least for a sensible transition period until the transition was complete and most systems were successfully converted onto systemd. To me that does not sound in the least unreasonable - -- mike c