Guys, New strange error while I troubleshoot the dead X intel card issue. As mentioned, I have managed to get twm and openbox running in vncserver on the box with the intel card. kde4 apps will run, but look terrible due to the difference in color-depth, etc., so I was trying to get kde3/kate or kwrite running. I have always been able to run the kde3 apps from both twm and openbox before, but now I get the following error: /opt/kde/bin/kwrite: error while loading shared libraries: libqt-mt.so.3: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64 same error with kate, and just about any other kde3 app. Any way to fix this? I like vim, but I admit, I am a bit quicker with multiple kate/kwrite windows at my disposal. I don't think this would be related to the X problem, but... could it be? -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com