On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 05:30, Philipp Überbacher <hollunder@lavabit.com> wrote:
It's not always possible to make the non-DE users happy. In fact, non-DE users have to adapt to the latest conventions and most importantly, adapt to the norm. It is up to us to see whether an integration works satisfactorily and without all the bulk, rather than demand it. Expecting '-gnome' or '-kde' to always come with their desktop-specific dependencies is not a proper expectation, for it is not always "integration" in the correct, or full, sense.
I have no idea what you're talking about in this paragraph. What Ray is referring to is those of us who don't use a DE at all, but some type of Window Manager and the apps we wish to use. The tighter gnome and kde make their integration, the harder it is for us to use the DE's apps and the more useless dependencies we have to install to make something work. The one dep that really irked me was having to install lib(g)weather? with gnome just to use Gnumeric, Abiword, and some of the gnome games. To install those one had to install part of gnome which required the panel which in turned required lib(g)weather? I'll shut up now as I don't want to hi-jack this thread with more than enough clarification. -- Life's fun when your sick and psychotic!