-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/14/2012 04:08 PM, Brandon Watkins wrote:
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Norbert Zeh <nzeh@cs.dal.ca> wrote:
David Benfell [2012.08.14 1535 -0700]:
What I think is unfortunate about the discussion of systemd here has been that it has been conflated with the discussion of pulseaudio. I think it is possible to like one and not the other.
<snip> Yet, Poettering's response to these kinds of complaints are usually completely dismissive: it's ALSA's fault, your hardware isn't working properly, etc, in spite of everything working flawlessly when pulseaudio doesn't get in the way. So, to me the problem with systemd is not so much that I am afraid of changing to a new init system - I am not - it's the author. What if somewhere down the road things start to go wrong with systemd? Is Poettering's response going to be again that systemd is perfect and it's some other part of my system that's causing systemd to misbehave? I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
This is due to the fact that pulseaudio utilizes the audio drivers in different ways than straight alsa, exposing previously unknown or ignored driver bugs. there is only so much pulseaudio can do to work around buggy drivers.
I think Brandon's point, in its own way, supports Norbert's. It's the classic technical support problem with multiple moving pieces with each vendor pointing at the other one. And it seems that Poettering's attitude is particularly unhelpful here, which means that *when* (I'm not going to be so naive as to say *if*) such problems arise, we may well need another way to deal with them. Perhaps that's what we should be discussing here. - -- David Benfell benfell@parts-unknown.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJQKubHAAoJELT202JKF+xpCjYP/3PY1n0TZbywFXBRo/fnGe8B 8I5rsVlmxPP1efuLOnXPh/NVJ398ZKUUQKlSxUXiVIC0vpmW5gAsbYXCerk2XSG6 XO/dF2cDmCcov+EoywPn+vnvsyn+HPVK2xNYkMafeT8UYz+0DAEZTP5XWsy6HZa/ k/pUZtKkaEY87bY5y5ep5nDxbwZIJuFfnqh8JnWysmlC5QXujNIC+GmPog37V3tb zNed3DH66c8KRenjAFhYAZzCQ7KzRpmmZdL5p4WZkqO3XxfTjbGXJI37TOT9KxCk g9kZulGCzabkjSqXX5XyQbQZ5yh3r6eqEF+S82NO4tgcHvq4Y5hRrD2iwpB6frIr 5AldQ0+XctJI3vDUvVFz+UJaTAWgmxufcqoYB9BFATUSYNe/vSfG+ue40mMaTT8e Tr/1gCyCmfaOISQH/NsnZOOMOrZkbVAkXMaXPJkmo+5ajX1jP+oggCV/pubD4LE3 IllMHnkXRTDOpi2VRaZFLjseGYhI4ZNHFIwwsEAkgu/IVwqd+ODsSpAgRw98LuY6 evOJb4psELIRGG6+ClBz+mXKCcE1UPSMYc+MELNiW6fnHtLBxBpChLNPzfRxh3e6 OnQuniwePBJt74wkxd3RbgP07nW/mOEKGWxlY9i2l2tViER3nHNE22H4llPYhPHs IRCluncLUuKcaSYuYtEw =k0w4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----