Guys, Even from a kde4 hater, kde 4.5.1-1 is looking much better than prior releases. Way to go Arch on the packaging. It is starting to add some of the efficiencies k3 had that k4 has lacked. Simple case-in-point, just rt-click to change the desktop wp and you now have a clean 3 column thumbnail setup that provides 300% more info than the old slow single column thumbnail list. Not earth-shattering, but it is good to see some of the really awkward dialogs getting reworked. Don't get me wrong, k4 still needs work, but I'm more than willing to tip my hat and recognize good progress when it has been made despite the 2.5 years of hell I've been though with that desktop. (as an aside - the 3D chessboard wallpaper is just killer) We shall see where it goes... -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com