Hello, can anyone think of a reason the rc.d scripts are added to kdm, gdm and slim? They are not recommended by anyone & they are to be blame for occasional weird problems. The standard and IMO only way is to start them from inittab. They dont come from upstream & i dont know when they were added, i remember them being there ever since i started using Arch, they may come from CRUX or something. I am considering requesting them removal from all display managers. In [0] Pierre said some people want to keep them for backwards compatibility. Backwards compatibility is desired only when something works correctly. Thoughts? [0]: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/20109 -- () against html e-mail | usenet & email communication netiquette /\ www.asciiribbon.org | www.netmeister.org/news/learn2quote.html