Aaron Griffin wrote:
Which package has patches to add these features? Looking at xorg-server, I only see one extraneous patch that simple replaces the default grey stipple pattern with black. The rest seem (at a glance) to fix real bugs
You have a point here, in that i have used a fuzzy description of the problem, in the assumption you and possible other readers remember the numerous rants on this ML. At very least I'd except You to remember your own blog. I'm going to post some hard facts to your convenience. aep@andariel: ~ egrep 'enable|disable|patch -N' /var/abs/extra/xorg-server/PKGBUILD | wc -l 24
Jan has always done a good job in the past of keeping Xorg as impartial as possible without breaking things, and I'm assuming he did the same here.
i was about to state that i didnt target him at all. Then i ran this: aep@andariel: ~ (for i in $(grep "Jan de Groot" /var/abs/ -r | cut -d ':' -f 1); do egrep "enable|disable|patch -N" $i; done) | wc -l 543 Now you're propably saying numbers of downstream decisions doesn't say anything. Very true, which is why i prefer arguing about "intent" aep@andariel: ~ grep Maintainer /var/abs/core/dbus-core/PKGBUILD # Maintainer: Jan de Groot <jgc@archlinux.org> and "bias" aep@andariel: ~ (for i in $(grep "Jan de Groot" /var/abs/ -r | cut -d ':' -f 1 | cut -d '/' -f 5); do if (pacman -Si $i | grep gnome
/dev/null); then echo $i; fi; done) | wc -l 149
The point is, just because *I* prefer something one way doesn't mean it's a good decision at the distro level.
So there is the name of some guy, who approves the unix philosophy, on this distro, but that guy decides it's a good idea that people who prefer ubuntu make the vital decisions. I claim, You are leading a project whichs developers mainly disprove what You stand for, or claim to stand for. Which is why, ...
You'd be perfectly suited to throw the first stone, Aaron. I'm confused by this. It seems rather standoffish and I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.
.. i have offered my support numerous times. I can see how the daily nuisance of fixing upstream bugs can blur the own goals. Alternatively, You lie about your goals. The very reason, for me to again zombify this minor issue into an open attack, is that you have responded to it, agreeing to the user base you promised to support, but not taken action.
we have maintainers we can generally trust about these decisions.
Your opinions on trust vary, depending on topic. Last time we had this, You promised to kick out tpowa. You didn't. I don't track if the abuse is ongoing, since I maintain all these packages myself now. -- Arvid Asgaard Technologies