guys, I updated my test box and it checked out, then I updated my server and apache will not start. The error given is: [03:58 nirvana:/etc/httpd/conf] # apachectl start (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address [::]:443 (98)Address already in use: make_sock: could not bind to address 0.0.0.0:443 no listening sockets available, shutting down Unable to open logs The updates tonight included: [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded consolekit (0.4.1-2 -> 0.4.1-3) [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded dhcpcd (5.2.5-1 -> 5.2.7-1) [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded dnsutils (9.6.1-3 -> 9.7.1.P2-1) [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded libnice (0.0.12-1 -> 0.0.13-1) [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded farsight2 (0.0.20-1 -> 0.0.21-1) [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded libva (0.31.0_p13-2 -> 1.0.4-1) [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded ffmpeg (24460-1 -> 24460-2) [2010-08-09 00:41] installed iana-etc (2.30-1) [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded filesystem (2010.02-4 -> 2010.07-1) [2010-08-09 00:41] upgraded hwdetect (2010.07-1 -> 2010.08-1) [2010-08-09 00:42] upgraded kernel26 (2.6.34.2-1 -> 2.6.34.2-2) [2010-08-09 00:42] upgraded kernel26-headers (2.6.34.2-1 -> 2.6.34.2-2) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded kernel26-lts (2.6.32.16-1 -> 2.6.32.17-2) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded kernel26-lts-headers (2.6.32.16-1 -> 2.6.32.17-2) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded networkmanager (0.8-1 -> 0.8.1-1) [2010-08-09 00:44] warning: /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist installed as /etc/pacman.d/mirrorlist.pacnew [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded pacman-mirrorlist (20100621-1 -> 20100808-1) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded python-telepathy (0.15.17-1 -> 0.15.18-1) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded rpcbind (0.2.0-1 -> 0.2.0-2) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded sqlite3 (3.7.0-1 -> 3.7.0.1-1) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded telepathy-haze (0.3.6-1 -> 0.4.0-1) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded thunderbird (3.1.1-1 -> 3.1.2-1) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded util-linux-ng (2.18-2 -> 2.18-3) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded vdpau-video (0.6.9-2 -> 0.6.10-2) [2010-08-09 00:44] upgraded vlc (1.1.2-1 -> 1.1.2-2) I have switched to a backup server so I'm not dead, but to have apache just not start was a bit disconcerting to say the least. This has got to be an issue with the kernel26 (2.6.34.2-1 -> 2.6.34.2-2) upgrade. My primary and backup servers are both Arch 64bit boxes with identical software installs. The box with the problem is an Opteron(tm) Processor 180 running on Tyan Tomcat S2865, the backup is a Phenom(tm) 9850 on an MSI K9N2 SLI Platinum. The fact that the software is identical and the primary can't make/bind to sockets anymore --- tells me what? Anyway, I need help. Any thoughts on what do check? I'll drop back to LTS and see how that goes and report back. Thanks. -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E. Rankin Law Firm, PLLC 510 Ochiltree Street Nacogdoches, Texas 75961 Telephone: (936) 715-9333 Facsimile: (936) 715-9339 www.rankinlawfirm.com