On 9 February 2010 17:50, Xavier Chantry <chantry.xavier@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:19 AM, Arvid Picciani <aep@exys.org> wrote:
if someone actually posts patches or other constructive stuff, please CC me. We're rewriting pacman anyway and looking for a solution to handle this mess in particular.
Right now the only idea i got is versioned deps which is sort of flawed since that would assert a certain awareness upstream. And if we had that, we didnt have the problem in the first place...
maybe there is a smarter way to force update of packages that would break when their dependencies are updated.
If people actually read my 10 lines mail, and spent more time to think and less time to write, maybe the thread could have gone forward rather than backward ?
Not only did that fail to garner any attention, but my repeated emphasis on that initiative seems to have gone to waste as well.
But then: pacman knows that A is installed and depends on libfoo.so.1. But still it removes that library. Why ? I'd just say it fails to do its job, part of which is being aware of dependencies.
From one point, you appear to be wanting some kind of mechanism to keep old libraries in place which simply cannot happen because it's
Fons, you may be right here. That is exactly what is being discussed with regards to sodepends/soprovides. The thing is, your message was not clear and is catalyst for a number of unhelpful remarks/opinions. the same package "updating", so the new contents of the package is replacing the old. We cannot keep both packages in the repos because that violates our principles. However, we may be able to prevent you from doing certain actions or in the case of sodepends, we may at least be able to inform you what is broken and what is not. As with the userbase changing, I have to agree. I've watched Arch and its mediums of communications for over 3 years, and like any distro with good reason to exist, there is always an increase in userbase. There are users who are simply too elitist. These are usually the ones who come crying for help, and a few months later start picking on others who do the same. There are users who are just unfit, and we have long ignored these kinds but the new elites just have to press the button. Obviously, Fons isn't either. Please stop any suggestion that involves "keeping things". Channel your sparks into how pacman could provide necessary information to the user during major updates.
I guess it is for some ideas here: http://www.hereticlinux.org/wiki/pacideas
Is that the brainchild of aep? If so, there's no surprise. He was into Qt at one point, then something else, and now this. Heresy is aep, aep is Heresy. Good luck Arvid! -- GPG/PGP ID: B42DDCAD