Hi, Arch's packages usually (almost always) get updated pretty fast and the system "don't create a bug report, just flag the package out of date to get dev's/TU's attention" works fine. But sometimes there exist packages both in community and in extra (I'm not sure about core but maybe even there) that don't get updated even after a significant time from the upstream's release (e. g. swt, amarok, jre or jdk from the nearest past). Shouldn't there be a time limit (two weeks? a month?) after which it would be OK to create a bug report? That way there could be a discussion about why that package hasn't/couldn't be updated and everyone would know where to look for the reasons without having to go through mailing list archives, bbs and so on. Just a thought though. Ondřej -- Cheers, Ondřej Kučera