On 22.08.2012 02:48, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On 22.08.2012 02:10, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Could you give me a brief explanation as to why init scripts are better? I'm newish to Unix style operating systems As I said; they are tried-and-true since *decades*, all the problems have been ironed out by slow small changes, so if somebody has
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 1:48 AM, Patrick Murphy <thegerdur@gmail.com> wrote: problems they are probably hitting very few people.
Switching to systemd is not a small change, it's a revolutionary change, with the potential to break many people's boot (it has broken things in Fedora, and openSUSE, and it's happening in Arch Linux as well). So, a sensible person would wait until a sensible time to make the big switch (which is clearly not now).
Arch is not sensible in the conservative sense. Being conservative here means waiting for others to make the software more stable. This is not really what Arch is about. We regularly move to software that is just-about-enough stable to be used. As far as I am concerned, systemd is at that point since I was able to convert my laptop to it without any problems at all. So if it works for you, it will surely work for *everybody* else. I have seen this argument so many times that I'm starting to worry about
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 2:32 AM, Sven-Hendrik Haase <sh@lutzhaase.com> wrote: the rationality of Arch Linux users and developers.
I said "As far as I am concerned, systemd is at that point since I was able to convert my laptop to it without any problems at all." You say I somehow said something along the lines of "As far as I am concerned, systemd is at that point since I was able to convert my laptop to it without any problems at all so it will surely work for *everybody* else." I suppose you are mostly trolling at this point anyway but at least don't make it so obvious!
Yes, it's good to be on the bleeding edge, but there's a difference between using the latest and greatest Linux kernel (stable one), glibc, gcc, or even python. But systemd is an entirely different beast, but apparently you are simply unable to understand how different it is.
Go ahead make it the default, and if people start hitting problems (everything points they will, and they will be *bad*), you would have such massive complains that the recent discussions in arch-general would seem mild in comparison.
Well, we have a bug tracker for that. Go ahead and report some bugs.
Nobody likes to have their system totally broken with no easy solution in sight for no reason.
Cheers.
Obviously not.