On (10/27/11 19:14), Martti Kühne wrote: -~> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:24 PM, Leonid Isaev firstname.lastname@example.org wrote: -~> > -~> > OK, which update you are talking about? -~> > -~> > Shutdown problems probably come from upower. Your user would loose control of -~> > external devices only if you were in the storage/disk groups. Adding youself to -~> > these groups was your mistake, since unless you understand what you are doing, -~> > you should let console-kit do the permission granting. In fact, on a modern -~> > linux system you only have to be a member of 1 group: users. -~> > -~> > How do you start your desktop and do you have ck-launch-session running? -~> > -~> -~> -~> Personally I'm not using neither gui file browser nor consolekit -~> session and make use of the group based permission because I know how -~> to handle things, and I can look up eventual barriers in my way -~> quickly and reliably enough. I mount usb drives manually and generally -~> lay hands on my system to keep things running, I mean, in a sane way. -~> This is the first time I hear that this way of treating things would -~> be discouraged, and I'm asking myself if this is just a sysadmin's -~> gripe and if it will be possible in the future. Let's say I'm pretty -~> sure it will be possible, since I guess I'm not the only one who -~> avoids these additional sources of errors aka. software layers like -~> ck/dbus/stuff. I left $certain-other-distro for some reason, and don't -~> want to be forced back on this layer cake again. -~> -~> Also reminds me of this morning's xorg-xdm bug report I wrote which -~> made dbus on a system level necessary, all of a sudden... Things go on -~> like this and I'll remove my Xorg and run frambuffer only from now on. -~> :-) -~> -~> cheers! -~> mar77i
And how exactly does xfce4 run for you w/o console-kit? And what's wrong with dbus? If you want functionality beyond 1987, you'll have to have software layers: yes or yes.