On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Sven-Hendrik Haase <sh@lutzhaase.com> wrote:
On 26.10.2009 18:07, Piyush P Kurur wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 10:40:44AM -0500, Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:01 AM, <hollunder@gmx.at> wrote:
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So please, next time you call something integration, think beyond the bubble. In our little Linux world with limited developer time we need real integration, real solutions and still freedom of choice.
You read my mind.
Mine too. I got burnt when after one of the xorg updates few months ago, the mouse and keyboard stopped working. The culprit, xorg unloading the mouse and keyboard drivers and waiting for hal to send some signals to load the appropriate drivers. This I think was ridiculous. Many a time I use X without any windomanager whatsoever mainly for display boards and such stuff. I dont need any PnP here.
In this particular case though, you can just disable hotplugging (see http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Xorg_input_hotplugging). Please realize that PnP can be a very nice feature for many users. HAL is getting deprecated as has already been stated in this thread. Udev is slowly taking over more and more tasks from HAL and at some point, HAL will only be a wrapper for Udev calls for applications that still use the old HAL calls. At least so I hope.
This is true, but it seems trivial to only do the keyboard/mouse unload junk if hal is alive. I'm sure there's a way to test for this.