On Tue, Dec 18, 2007 at 10:37:13AM -0600, Aaron Griffin wrote:
On Dec 18, 2007 2:33 AM, Grigorios Bouzakis <grbzks@gmail.com> wrote:
I have been meaning to ask, AFAIK besides the codecs package the same license have ttf-ms-fonts. Is there any change to see them in unsupported too? IMO the fonts are a more complex issue than the codecs one, since most users have them installed. Theres already an AUR entry for them in unsupported
If you can do some testing here to see WHAT these fonts should be replaced with, and what looks good, that'd be appreciated. I'd, again, be personally fine with the switch, but as you said the fonts are a far more complex issue.
Well, to be honest i am not very familiar with font issues, mainly because i rarely have to deal with fonts outside of the terminal. Almost exclusively when it comes to w3 browsing with firefox. A default Archlinux installation with the ttf-ms-fonts installed results to a very good configuration in my opinion and i never bothered dealing with the issue. I only got more interested in this some days ago when i found an old todo list. These fonts as most of you probably already know was a project started by Microsoft in 1996 to make a standard pack of fonts for the Internet. The project was terminated in August 2002, allegedly due to frequent EULA violations. However, that same EULA allows redistribution as long as the packages are kept in their original format and with their original filename, and they are not used to add value to commercial products. As a result, they are still available for download on third-party websites. The license allows the fonts to be used on operating systems such as Linux, as long as they are distributed in original form. [1] Archlinux's package comes from sourceforge [2]. This site claims that Uses tahoma from word 97 viewer instead of the ie6 update so no windows license is needed. (Tahoma isnt part of the ttf-ms-fonts package anyway). But also, Does not distribute Microsoft's fonts in a prohibited way (to the best the distributers knowledge). The TLDP in its Font Packages section [3] of its Optimal Use of Fonts on Linux article [4] mentions: Some people say these fonts are free only for persons who have a Microsoft Windows license. Also the editor of the TLDP article in his own homepage has the fonts licensed under a Microsoft License [5]. Last i checked the package in the Archlinux extra repository didnt even provide a license. If it remains there what will the license field be? Microsoft? Or a plain undefined custom one that is nowhere to be found? I might be missing something here but i dont remember any discussion taking place that could have moticated sergej unto putting the ttf-ms-fonts-lic into unsupported claiming license issues [6]. Note: ttf-ms-fonts-lic doesnt have a license as well of course. Either way, in my opinion a decision should be made regarding this. Is there a point keeping both packages? Chapter 2 :P Now regarding a possible replacement of the ttf-ms-fonts package from extra. As i have said before i am no expert on the topic. I have seen people on the web claiming that there is no real substitute for this package. I have also read that webpage font rendering is better and faster with the use of those fonts cause most pages are created using some of these fonts. My experiments during the last days rather prove the above points, even though i didnt get into the core of this messing with font configuration files. There are many popular font packages in AUR, some even in Community [7-9] as well as many others too available across the web.eg. [10] Maybe a combination of some of those packages will suffice for the replacement? Is an effort to achieve this worth it? I would love hearing what others more relevant with this users have to say about this. [1]:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Core_fonts_for_the_Web [2]:http://corefonts.sourceforge.net/ [3]:http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/fonts.html [4]:http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Font-HOWTO/intro.html [5]:http://avi.alkalay.net/software/webcore-fonts/webcore-fonts.spec [6]:http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=5418 [7]:http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=3673 [8]:http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=1086 [9]:http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?do_Details=1&ID=6608 [10]:http://www.smashingmagazine.com/2007/11/08/40-excellent-freefonts-for-profes...