[arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...). This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what not! I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as possible. Any help would be great! Thank you, Pyther
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:21 PM, pyther <pyther@pyther.net> wrote:
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
not!
I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
possible. Any help would be great!
We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before, "en_US" will still be available to most programs. -Dan
On Mon 2008-03-31 19:32 , Dan McGee wrote:
[...] We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before, "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
Ze German Uber Alles! -- Alessio Bolognino Please send personal email to themolok@gmail.com Public Key http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFE0270FB GPG Key ID = 1024D / FE0270FB 2007-04-11 Key Fingerprint = 9AF8 9011 F271 450D 59CF 2D7D 96C9 8F2A FE02 70FB
Is this for real? -- Brandon Martin <bmartin@cu3edweb.com> On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 02:46:12 +0200 Alessio Bolognino <themolok.ml@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon 2008-03-31 19:32 , Dan McGee wrote:
[...] We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before, "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
Ze German Uber Alles!
-- Alessio Bolognino
Please send personal email to themolok@gmail.com
Public Key http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFE0270FB GPG Key ID = 1024D / FE0270FB 2007-04-11 Key Fingerprint = 9AF8 9011 F271 450D 59CF 2D7D 96C9 8F2A FE02 70FB
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:52:45 +0200 Pierre CHAPUIS <catwell@free.fr> wrote: <snip>
I'm willing to start a French fork then. :)
I think you should call it "Poisson Linux". :-)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re:[arch-general] [English] New Distro - Can't Read German From: Geoff <capsthorne@yahoo.co.uk> To: arch-general@archlinux.org Date: mar 01 avr 2008 09:30:26 CEST
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 07:52:45 +0200 Pierre CHAPUIS <catwell@free.fr> wrote:
<snip>
I'm willing to start a French fork then. :)
I think you should call it "Poisson Linux".
:-)
La peche est bonne aujourd'hui! :)
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 19:32 -0500, Dan McGee wrote:
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:21 PM, pyther <pyther@pyther.net> wrote:
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
not!
I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
possible. Any help would be great!
We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before, "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
-Dan
Oh, I wasn't aware that this is what pyther referring too. he didn't explain much and I hadn't checked the main website yet today.
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 8:32 PM, Hussam Al-Tayeb <ht990332@gmail.com> wrote:
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 19:32 -0500, Dan McGee wrote:
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:21 PM, pyther <pyther@pyther.net> wrote:
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
not!
I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
possible. Any help would be great!
We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before, "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
-Dan
Oh, I wasn't aware that this is what pyther referring too. he didn't explain much and I hadn't checked the main website yet today.
Viva la Deutschland! 8)
Dan McGee wrote:
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 7:21 PM, pyther <pyther@pyther.net> wrote:
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
not!
I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
possible. Any help would be great!
We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before, "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
-Dan
Can you send me again this post some hours later? It's still march 31 here... Armando
Dan McGee schrieb:
We are not dropping internationalization support- we have long been one of the best distros for this. You will still have English-language manpages and everything else. However, our site will be primarily in German from this point out, so you may have a bit more help when troubleshooting problems, etc. Just as "de_DE" was available before, "en_US" will still be available to most programs.
Ab morgen werden auch die Mailinglisten auf deutsch umgestellt. Ich schlage vor ihr lernt ohne Babelfish deutsch zu sprechen.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
Ab morgen werden auch die Mailinglisten auf deutsch umgestellt. Ich schlage vor ihr lernt ohne Babelfish deutsch zu sprechen.
Keine Gegenstände aus dem Fenster werfen!
On Tue, 1 Apr 2008 09:22:31 +0200 bardo <ilbardo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
Ab morgen werden auch die Mailinglisten auf deutsch umgestellt. Ich schlage vor ihr lernt ohne Babelfish deutsch zu sprechen.
Keine Gegenstände aus dem Fenster werfen!
meine Hosen sind auf Feuer
Loui wrote:
meine Hosen sind auf Feuer
Naja, fast.. Übung macht den Meister ;) btw: _das_ ist wirklich gut :)
On Tue 2008-04-01 09:22 , bardo wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
Ab morgen werden auch die Mailinglisten auf deutsch umgestellt. Ich schlage vor ihr lernt ohne Babelfish deutsch zu sprechen.
Keine Gegenstände aus dem Fenster werfen!
Senfpulver oder Senfmehl besteht aus gemahlenen, meist weißen Senfkörnern. Besonders verbreitet ist es in der englischen Küche. Falls es nicht mitgekocht wird, wird es mit Wasser zu einer Paste verrührt, die ähnlich wie Tafelsenf verwendet wird. Senfpulver kann auch Bestandteil von Currypulver sein!!! -- Alessio (molok) Bolognino Please send personal email to themolok@gmail.com Public Key http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0xFE0270FB GPG Key ID = 1024D / FE0270FB 2007-04-11 Key Fingerprint = 9AF8 9011 F271 450D 59CF 2D7D 96C9 8F2A FE02 70FB
Alessio Bolognino wrote:
On Tue 2008-04-01 09:22 , bardo wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org> wrote:
Ab morgen werden auch die Mailinglisten auf deutsch umgestellt. Ich schlage vor ihr lernt ohne Babelfish deutsch zu sprechen.
Keine Gegenstände aus dem Fenster werfen!
Senfpulver oder Senfmehl besteht aus gemahlenen, meist weißen Senfkörnern. Besonders verbreitet ist es in der englischen Küche. Falls es nicht mitgekocht wird, wird es mit Wasser zu einer Paste verrührt, die ähnlich wie Tafelsenf verwendet wird.
Senfpulver kann auch Bestandteil von Currypulver sein!!!
Ich mag Senf nicht! Curry aber schon!! Komisch oder? -- Michael Klier www: http://www.chimeric.de jabber: chi@jabber.shipdown.de key: http://downloads.chimeric.de/chi.asc key-id: 0x8308F551
On 01/04/08 14:05, Alessio Bolognino wrote:
Senfpulver oder Senfmehl besteht aus gemahlenen, meist weißen Senfkörnern. Besonders verbreitet ist es in der englischen Küche. Falls es nicht mitgekocht wird, wird es mit Wasser zu einer Paste verrührt, die ähnlich wie Tafelsenf verwendet wird.
Senfpulver kann auch Bestandteil von Currypulver sein!!!
Und ich dachte, Bananen hätten gar keine Gräten...
bis nächstes Jahr den Bogengeist von Einfachheit lebendig halten und erlernen, Deutschen zu lesen. lol Michael Schaefer wrote:
On 01/04/08 14:05, Alessio Bolognino wrote:
Senfpulver oder Senfmehl besteht aus gemahlenen, meist weißen Senfkörnern. Besonders verbreitet ist es in der englischen Küche. Falls es nicht mitgekocht wird, wird es mit Wasser zu einer Paste verrührt, die ähnlich wie Tafelsenf verwendet wird.
Senfpulver kann auch Bestandteil von Currypulver sein!!!
Und ich dachte, Bananen hätten gar keine Gräten...
Michael Schaefer wrote:
Und ich dachte, Bananen hätten gar keine Gräten...
Haben sie nicht? Du hast mein Weltbild zerstoert ...
Thomas Bächler <thomas@archlinux.org>:
Ab morgen werden auch die Mailinglisten auf deutsch umgestellt. Ich schlage vor ihr lernt ohne Babelfish deutsch zu sprechen. Na ich hätte kein Problem damit. Solange wir "feststehende" Begriffe wie "named pipe" nicht eindeutschen müssen.
:-P -- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version
On Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:21:44 -0400 pyther <pyther@pyther.net> wrote:
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
not!
I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
possible. Any help would be great!
Thank you,
Pyther
If this is what is happening it must be April Fool's day! -- John R. Canino
On Mon, 2008-03-31 at 20:21 -0400, pyther wrote:
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
not!
I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
possible. Any help would be great!
Thank you,
Pyther
Almost all distributions including ArchLinux use English as the default language in man pages in applications. If you are really looking to switch to another distribution, I would recommend Fedora. The last time I tried it was when they released Fedora Core 3, but I think it is still a great distribution. Still I doubt you will find anything that resembles ArchLinux a lot.
pyther wrote:
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible
mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...).
This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what
not!
I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as
possible. Any help would be great!
I am not sure if you know that, but according to what Judd said in the interview: http://www.linuxtoday.com/developer/2003080501126INSWDV he was using PLD, which was in Polish. A few days ago there was one interesting statement (btw in not too interesting flame war): "Suffice to say: for all the "old timers" out there, I am on your side. I *am* an "old timer", and I will do everything in my power to make arch what it was. - Aaron Griffin" well, he did it. Polish was a bit too extreme so the peaceful fraction of "old timers" agreed to switch to German instead. More is coming... cheers waldek
Am Dienstag 01 April 2008 09:58:12 schrieb waldek:
well, he did it. Polish was a bit too extreme so the peaceful fraction of "old timers" agreed to switch to German instead. More is coming...
German? Boooring! What about one of these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_constructed_languages Maik
good one :) -- best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen Arvid Ephraim Picciani
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:11 AM, Maik Beckmann <beckmann.maik@googlemail.com> wrote:
Am Dienstag 01 April 2008 09:58:12 schrieb waldek:
well, he did it. Polish was a bit too extreme so the peaceful fraction of "old timers" agreed to switch to German instead. More is coming...
German? Boooring!
What about one of these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_constructed_languages
Maik
My vote is for Ilaksh. So very compact and precise. Plus, imagine a command line with that script! - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ithkuil_language#Ilaksh:_the_revision_of_Ithkui...
2008/4/1, Maik Beckmann <beckmann.maik@googlemail.com>:
Am Dienstag 01 April 2008 09:58:12 schrieb waldek:
well, he did it. Polish was a bit too extreme so the peaceful fraction of "old timers" agreed to switch to German instead. More is coming...
German? Boooring!
What about one of these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_constructed_languages
Then I vote for Toki Pona. :-D -- Roman Kyrylych (Роман Кирилич)
Roman Kyrylych a écrit :
2008/4/1, Maik Beckmann <beckmann.maik@googlemail.com>:
Am Dienstag 01 April 2008 09:58:12 schrieb waldek:
well, he did it. Polish was a bit too extreme so the peaceful fraction of "old timers" agreed to switch to German instead. More is coming...
German? Boooring!
What about one of these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_constructed_languages
Then I vote for Toki Pona. :-D
Sorry guys, Arch originated in British Columbia, Canada, and as a contribution against the massive extinction of languages in this world, our distro is going to adopt one of the five Wakashan languages still spoken on the Vancouver Island: Vote is open to choose any one of these languages as our new official Archlingua: Nuu-chah-nulth/Nootka Kwakw’ala/Kwakiutl Haisla-Henaksiala Heiltsuk-Oowekyala Ditidaht/Nitinat Each of these has ca. 200 active speakers left [*]. Once the vote is settled, a dozen speakers of the chosen languages will be hired to train our Arch developers. A linguistic summer camp on Vancouver Island is also planned for next summer, so all of us can become proficient in the language. [* Source http://www.fp.ucalgary.ca/howed/abor_lang.htm]
I don't have much to say on this, but there are some points in want to bring forth. You guys think that discussing this on a hidden list and making the switch without anyone knowing it will make the community feel that they are apart of the archlinux community? Personally i've been annoyed by sites using native languages for years, because in very large cases i found either the project to be interesting or the site itself, but unreadable! "keeping Arch as a primarily English distro is a disservice to our largest user-base." That just doesn't make any sense, what you guys are doing now, is locking out all international users, isn't that too a disservice? Why didn't you guys create a german site on a german domain? I got that answer when i asked about possibilities getting a sub-domain for a norwegian site, it's the exact same thing! -JK On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM, François Charette <firmicus@ankabut.net> wrote:
Roman Kyrylych a écrit :
2008/4/1, Maik Beckmann <beckmann.maik@googlemail.com>:
Am Dienstag 01 April 2008 09:58:12 schrieb waldek:
well, he did it. Polish was a bit too extreme so the peaceful fraction of "old timers" agreed to switch to German instead. More is coming...
German? Boooring!
What about one of these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_constructed_languages
Then I vote for Toki Pona. :-D
Sorry guys, Arch originated in British Columbia, Canada, and as a contribution against the massive extinction of languages in this world, our distro is going to adopt one of the five Wakashan languages still spoken on the Vancouver Island: Vote is open to choose any one of these languages as our new official Archlingua:
Nuu-chah-nulth/Nootka Kwakw'ala/Kwakiutl Haisla-Henaksiala Heiltsuk-Oowekyala Ditidaht/Nitinat
Each of these has ca. 200 active speakers left [*]. Once the vote is settled, a dozen speakers of the chosen languages will be hired to train our Arch developers.
A linguistic summer camp on Vancouver Island is also planned for next summer, so all of us can become proficient in the language.
On the other hand, it is 1st of April :D On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Jon Kristian Nilsen <jokr.nilsen@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't have much to say on this, but there are some points in want to bring forth.
You guys think that discussing this on a hidden list and making the switch without anyone knowing it will make the community feel that they are apart of the archlinux community?
Personally i've been annoyed by sites using native languages for years, because in very large cases i found either the project to be interesting or the site itself, but unreadable!
"keeping Arch as a primarily English distro is a disservice to our largest user-base." That just doesn't make any sense, what you guys are doing now, is locking out all international users, isn't that too a disservice?
Why didn't you guys create a german site on a german domain? I got that answer when i asked about possibilities getting a sub-domain for a norwegian site, it's the exact same thing!
-JK
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:35 AM, François Charette <firmicus@ankabut.net> wrote:
Roman Kyrylych a écrit :
2008/4/1, Maik Beckmann <beckmann.maik@googlemail.com>:
Am Dienstag 01 April 2008 09:58:12 schrieb waldek:
well, he did it. Polish was a bit too extreme so the peaceful fraction of "old timers" agreed to switch to German instead. More is coming...
German? Boooring!
What about one of these - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_constructed_languages
Then I vote for Toki Pona. :-D
Sorry guys, Arch originated in British Columbia, Canada, and as a contribution against the massive extinction of languages in this world, our distro is going to adopt one of the five Wakashan languages still spoken on the Vancouver Island: Vote is open to choose any one of these languages as our new official Archlingua:
Nuu-chah-nulth/Nootka Kwakw'ala/Kwakiutl Haisla-Henaksiala Heiltsuk-Oowekyala Ditidaht/Nitinat
Each of these has ca. 200 active speakers left [*]. Once the vote is settled, a dozen speakers of the chosen languages will be hired to train our Arch developers.
A linguistic summer camp on Vancouver Island is also planned for next summer, so all of us can become proficient in the language.
Jon Kristian Nilsen wrote:
On the other hand, it is 1st of April :D
Well, you got the point close to heart attack ;)
Michael Schaefer <archlinux.org@micele.de>:
Jon Kristian Nilsen wrote:
On the other hand, it is 1st of April :D
Well, you got the point close to heart attack ;)
Damn it! I nearly fell from my chair.. Ah.. laughing sometimes hurts! -- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version
Cool - I've been wanting to learn a new language for a while now! Granted, I've been wanting to learn a new *computer* language, but hey - German is way more useful than Ruby! :-) DR pyther wrote:
I need you guys to recommend a new distro. Unfortunately I made a terrible mistake by taking Spanish two years ago (didn't learn much, but still...). This means I do not know German I will be unable to read man pages and what not!
I am looking for an ENGLISH distro that is as similar to Arch Linux as possible. Any help would be great!
Thank you,
Pyther
Nominated for quote of the year: On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:38 AM, David Rosenstrauch <darose@darose.net> wrote:
German is way more useful than Ruby! :-)
"Aaron Griffin" <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com>:
Nominated for quote of the year:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:38 AM, David Rosenstrauch <darose@darose.net> wrote:
German is way more useful than Ruby! :-)
+2 -- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut. http://cryptocd.eduforge.org/online_version
Of course German is more useful than Ruby! Phffftt... Who could possibly not think that? Just consider the number of German users versus Ruby users.... come on now... -- Dwight Schauer On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 12:27 PM, Johannes Held <mail@hehejo.de> wrote:
"Aaron Griffin" <aaronmgriffin@gmail.com>:
Nominated for quote of the year:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 9:38 AM, David Rosenstrauch <darose@darose.net> wrote:
German is way more useful than Ruby! :-)
+2
-- Gruß, Johannes Täglich http://blog.hehejo.de und du fühlst dich gut.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Dwight Schauer <dschauer@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course German is more useful than Ruby! Phffftt... Who could possibly not think that?
Just consider the number of German users versus Ruby users.... come on now...
Yeah, you're completely right. When the whole German transition, which is expected to last exactly one year, will be over, I can't wait to see the natural evolution of this step: making Arch a Windows-based distro. Hundreds of millions of people can't be wrong.
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:09 PM, bardo <ilbardo@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Dwight Schauer <dschauer@gmail.com> wrote:
Of course German is more useful than Ruby! Phffftt... Who could possibly not think that?
Just consider the number of German users versus Ruby users.... come on now...
Yeah, you're completely right. When the whole German transition, which is expected to last exactly one year, will be over, I can't wait to see the natural evolution of this step: making Arch a Windows-based distro. Hundreds of millions of people can't be wrong.
Hey! THAT will be a great April 1st joke!!! -- Cheers, Rodrigo A computer is like air conditioning: it becomes useless when you open windows. ~Linus Torvalds
On Tuesday 01 April 2008 22:39:58 Rodrigo Coacci wrote:
Hey! THAT will be a great April 1st joke!!! nope. becouse gentoo had that one already.
-- best regards/Mit freundlichen Grüßen Arvid Ephraim Picciani
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Aaron Griffin
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Alessio Bolognino
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Armando M. Baratti
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Dan McGee
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David Rosenstrauch
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Dwight Schauer
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François Charette
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Geoff
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Hussam Al-Tayeb
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Jeffrey Parke
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Johannes Held
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John Canino
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Jon Kristian Nilsen
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Loui
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Maik Beckmann
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Michael Klier
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Michael Schaefer
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olivier bordes
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Patrick Burroughs
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Pierre CHAPUIS
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pyther
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Rodrigo Coacci
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Roman Kyrylych
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Thomas Bächler
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waldek