[arch-general] Shutdown and reboot not working after last weekend update
Folks sorry for cross posting this at forum and mailing lists but so far no solution came there. Folks after the last upgrade I can no longer shutdown nor reboot my machine (I'm using it as root). The command simply hangs and nothing happens. I've done some research and found https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=141155 this but that does not seems to be my issue. I'm clueless which logs can I provide you in order to diagnose what can be the problem? Important thing, I have only 1 session running and the system report going down still it never gets past the tty broadcast as it seems. Ideas? This came after a update last weekend, the content of the update is here: http://pastebin.com/54305EH0 Dmesg output is here http://pastebin.com/HjwGvDsp My last boot log is here: http://pastebin.com/Tg70mD8F My fstab (which was asked on the forums is here): http://pastebin.com/dGUuWhNe Is it somehow related? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=662433 I've googled a bit and came with a solution which gives us some insights http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/rebooting-magic-way Seems something is not properly unmounting. SO you can for it with: echo 1 > /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger Forcing a shut down, still no clear way out of it. Ideas? I was asked to perform a fsck which failed.It reported /dev/sda5 was mounted. Is there any proper way I should use to call fsck? I did create a /fsck file on / is there other more appropriate command to do it? Problably you asked for my fstab expecting an error like this right? Would it be better to run fsck from a livecd? regards, Victor
Hi, I am not familiar with the problem, but I think the easiest way (if you are not against graphical tools) is to grab a live cd (or "live usb dongle") containing gparted (it's not a bad thing to have, anyway), but I am not an expert at this. What really surprises me is that you use your system as root !?! I would not dare to do that. I tend to add my user to various groops according to the arch wiki documentation where neeeded, and for the other commands I think I can safely run as root I alias them to be 'sudo <command>', and I maintain this list of safe commands in /etc/sudoers (edited by visudo (you can change the editor of it, just google it)), so that these commands can be executed without entering the password all the time... Maybe not the best thing still, but I guess it's OK with me. Regards, Attila 2012/6/12 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>: <snip>
I got a ubuntu livecd with gparted lets see what happens. About using thesystem as root. I only run pacman related commands as root have a user I use for mostly day tasks. This user is *NOT* on sudo, basically cause I like to enforce my self to login as root and think about what I'm doing. Also sudo is cumbersome to use in some instances as buil-in commands are not avaliable. So the only thing I've run as root was the pacman -Syu and followed the arch announces regarding the updates. Nothing bad there I'mho. And the problem I'm facing now has nothing to do with my system usage. Imho either I have a bad sector or something went broken for some instances of the system like mine or the other guy who also reported on the forums. Regards, Victor 2012/6/12 Attila Vangel <vangel.attila@gmail.com>
three emails for the same subject... :S (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com> wrote:
It sounds like you might have had a process in uninterpretable sleep. This happens sometimes when a process is in a system call and stops working. You can check for this by launching htop and seeing if any processes are permanently in the 'D' state (in the column labeled 'S'). Alternatively, look in /var/log/errors.log and see if you can find messages which look like:
INFO: task [processinfo] blocked for more than 120 seconds.
If you do have a process in this state, you won't be able to kill it or unmount the filesystem that it's stuck modifying. Your best bet is to manually kill everything you can, manually umount everything you can, and then force the system down. It sucks, I've had to do this with processes stuck writing to a RAID and then have to wait for a few days while the whole thing is resynced. It also probably isn't the fault of an upgrade, just some piece of buggy software that finally hit its error. I know that xfs_fsr will quickly and deterministically go into it when run on a filesystem which is almost full. Good luck! pants. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 05:22:43PM -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
I do have this exact error messega as I've posted before. I will check htop and post the output here. So now some questions which come out are: is it somehow related to bad sectors? Shutdown is the locked process with the message:
INFO: task [shutdown] blocked for more than 120 seconds.
Still I've made a forced reboot via sysctl and on the next session I've also hit this problem. About xfs_fsr (which I assume is some kind of fsck right?) I need to run fsck from a live cd, I just got one and will try it tonight. So basically we are talking about the samething, still I'm not sure of what is going wrong and sincerely I'm bit afriad of having a system just messed up because of a failing disk. How can I cover this scenario? Regards, Victor 2012/6/12 pants <pants@cs.hmc.edu>
Well, in general shutdown itself will *not* be the halted process; that would be rather strange. But hey, it could have happened. Usually, shutdown and reboot hang because they are coded to wait until all other processes reported having quit, and the process in question hasn't quit yet (because it never will). Are there any other similar messages for other processes? Also, now that you've rebooted it's unlikely that you still have a process in uninterruptible sleep. I would run fsck (the one for the filesystem you're using) to make sure that forcing a shutdown didn't cause any problems, and perhaps check the SMART status of the drives, but I wouldn't worry too much. pants. On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 05:36:26PM -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2012 13:42:01 -0700 pants wrote:
check the SMART status of the drives,
I've recently found Pmagic livecd to be very cool for this. Simply click the disk health icon on the desktop.
2012/6/13 Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists@yahoo.co.uk>
Folks I've messed things even more I did a kernel downgrade, downloaded kernel 3.3.7 from arch time machine and did pacman -U kernel26-2.6.39.3-1-x86_64.pkg.tar.xz System rebuilt modules and so on. After reboot it seems to report my /boot is not a valid partition type with ext2fs. Still grub which is installed there works and I can boot my windows. My plan now is download a live cd do a chroot to my old arch and try to update the kernel for the old state is it manageable?
Oki I reverted to the old kernel and I'm back to the old scenario how can I properly downgrade a kernel? Regards and thx for the help so far guys. This community rocks. 2012/6/13 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 11:14:06PM -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
Since you have already reverted to the old kernel, you don't further need to downgrade it, as you have already downgraded it. (Assuming, you did a pacman -U <old-kernel>)
2012/6/14 gt <static.vortex@gmx.com>
I did it for the kenel which hangs, the one before it does not boot as described on the previous posts. So somehow I need to find the last working configuration. Also is shutdown -F a dangerous practice? Cause this works for me.
[OT] @Victor: Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Arch? What a combination! [/OT]
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 12:18:17AM -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
from the man page, -F switch forces a fsck on reboot. So, i don't think it is dangerous.
2012/6/14 gt <static.vortex@gmx.com>
Folks my kernel downgrade did not work, I'm clueless. It reports a problem reading /boot partition saying something about it being not a valid ext2 partition. I need to take a picture of that as it hangs before init 1 so I have no logs. I was able to chroot and revert to 3.3.8-1 kernel. Also, is there a procedure I can use to have multiple kernels? Well of course it is, better question is wheter https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Ke … ild_System<https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Kernels/Compilation/Arch_Build_System>is the best approach to do so. I still clueless about what is the problem. I will try to build my kernel again and see what happens. By the way so far I've used only vanilla kernels. Regards, Victor
It reports a problem reading /boot partition saying something about it being not a valid ext2
I see /boot is ext4 There was a time recently when a kernel bug gave invalid warnings about other filesystem types like ext2, ext3 before mounting ext4 so it could be a red herring, is the exact error gone too quick to note. I presume by Vanilla you mean an arch package? p.s. If you can edit the kernel commandline you can change the init part to init=/bin/sh and hitting b to boot It's limited in what can be done but that way you may be able to troubleshoot some things more quickly by using the built in kernel commands, see if there is a reboot command. If there is it is internal and not from any filesystem. If it works you could then do it again and this time mount your root filesystem and try the reboot command from that. There are also kernel debug configs like printk but I'm not sure that's the route to go down yet. ________________________________________________________ Why not do something good every day and install BOINC. ________________________________________________________
2012/6/14 Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists@yahoo.co.uk>
Yeah by vanilla I mean the stock kernel. I dont get what do you mean by: be a red herring, is the exact error gone too quick to note. Well I can chroot as I did to revert to the old kernel so changing grub menu seems harder than chroot. My main problem is that reverting to the old kernel did not work. Maybe I forgot to run mkinitcpio By did not work I mean that I don't get boot. it fails with the message you meantioned to be listed on a bug. I will look for it later but if you could provide me a link I would be gratefull (I'm at work atm). Also I own you a post of the exact error message on boot over the new kernel. A thing I dont understand is what if the difference of doing a magic reboot: http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/rebooting-magic-way and calling a shutdown lies mainly on the umounting of the file systems if this is the case I should be able to reboot after a umount -f all right? I wonder if a -l would be better: -l Lazy unmount. Detach the filesystem from the filesystem hierarchy now, and cleanup all references to the filesystem as soon as it is not busy anymore. (Requires kernel 2.4.11 or later.) I could not run fsck on /boot as it reported to be mounted. Should I maybe run a normal shutdown -h now in parallel with http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/sysrq.txt to check which tasks are still stuck right?
Yeah by vanilla I mean the stock kernel. I dont get what do you mean by: be a red herring, is the exact error gone too quick to note.
red herring as in possibly false or irrelevent error message.
is the exact error gone too quick to note.
Does it flash up before you can get a picture or write down the error message.
when the grub menu comes up hit the e key move down a line hit e key again change init=/dev/?? to init=/bin/sh hit b key ________________________________________________________ Why not do something good every day and install BOINC. ________________________________________________________
On Thu, 2012-06-14 at 11:37 -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
Also, is there a procedure I can use to have multiple kernels?
Don't name the packages/kernels "linux". Name them linux, linux-1, linux-2 etc.?! You also could get different kernels from the repositories, of course not different versions of "linux", but e.g. "linux" + "linux-rt". $ ls /mnt/archlinux/boot/vmlinuz* /mnt/archlinux/boot/vmlinuz-linux /mnt/archlinux/boot/vmlinuz-linux-rt
2012/6/15 Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>
I will provide them the link of our discussion.
Since the change from Win 7 to Arch there is just one function I really miss up to now. Perhaps someone of you can help me out. Is it possible that Arch deactivates the internal speakers of my laptop when I plug in my USB-headset and turn input / output to this ? In Windows I could define the USB headset as default for in-/output so Win made a fallback to internal speakers only when I plugged out the headset again. It would be really great if Arch was that comfortable too. I know in GNOME there are just two clicks to do for switching to another audio hardware but ... :D Warm regards, Nelson.
Arch always did that automatically for me. I do know that you can set up defaults and fallbacks in KDE just like in Windows. I'm not sure about GNOME, though, as I have used KDE for a while. -----Original Message----- From: arch-general-bounces@archlinux.org [mailto:arch-general-bounces@archlinux.org] On Behalf Of Nelson Marambio Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 4:52 PM To: arch-general@archlinux.org Subject: [arch-general] Muting internal speakers Since the change from Win 7 to Arch there is just one function I really miss up to now. Perhaps someone of you can help me out. Is it possible that Arch deactivates the internal speakers of my laptop when I plug in my USB-headset and turn input / output to this ? In Windows I could define the USB headset as default for in-/output so Win made a fallback to internal speakers only when I plugged out the headset again. It would be really great if Arch was that comfortable too. I know in GNOME there are just two clicks to do for switching to another audio hardware but ... :D Warm regards, Nelson.
Hm ... then I will have a look at the conf-files ALSAMIXER showed up for information. Perhaps there is a nice switch ^^ Any other suggestions ? Am 14.06.2012 23:13, schrieb Eric Ryan Jones:
You can try instaling pulseaudio and pavucontrol , in pavucontrol you can set default device. -- Using Opera's revolutionary email client: http://www.opera.com/mail/
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 11:23 AM, ShichaoGao <xgdgsc@gmail.com> wrote:
You can try instaling pulseaudio and pavucontrol , in pavucontrol you can set default device.
Which is only used for new streams (existing streams are not automatically moved over). I have a small home-brew script which I use to switch the default sink AND move all current streams to that new default, but never figured out (didn't really try too hard) how to automate it to plugging in/out of audio equipment. I think it wasn't possible at that point in time to detect jack in or something like that.
Hello, pulseaudio[1] has that functionality. You should check it out. On KDE , Kmix supports pulseaudio and I am pretty sure it support auto switching too. Regards, --Chris Sakalis [1] - https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pulseaudio On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Eric Ryan Jones <eric@thetechnojesus.com> wrote:
Am Fri, 15 Jun 2012 10:17:45 +0300 schrieb Chris Sakalis <chrissakalis@gmail.com>:
PulseAudio is more or less crap. It still doesn't support (semi-)professional audio cards. If you don't really need it's super-duper extra functions like gaplessly moving a stream from one sound card to another you better don't bother with PA. It rather makes things worse than better. I don't have a solution for the original question, because I don't use two sound cards at the same time, but there are other and better ways to disable the internal notebook speakers. Usually you can choose in every application which sound card to be used (sometimes in it's config files). I guess there are software mixers for every desktop environment which let you choose the sound card, which shall be used. Btw., isn't there a button on the notebook which can mute those speakers? Heiko
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Heiko Baums <lists@baums-on-web.de> wrote:
Yes, why not repeat that opinion in every thread where pulse is brought up? Its not like its repetitive.
Which sounds an awful lot like slimmed-down pulseaudio to me. At the OP - pulseaudio may (or may not) help in your situation. The 'default' device is not the same as a Windows default device in the sense that currently playing streams will not be automatically moved. I use a script to do that (change default device and move all streams, I think I may even have posted it up on the pulse wiki), but (AFAIK) there aren't any 'hooks' for activating such scripts within pulseaudio when a new card is detected. Not sure if udev can do that, I just press a shortcut to run the script when I plug in my external headphones/sound card.
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 18:06 +0800, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
I agree with Heiko Baums and Oon-Ee Ng, this is possible because ... If PA should be able to solve the OP's issue, then it's unimportant what issues PA could cause. If somebody replies with a guess, that PA might solve the issue on GNOME, because KMix is able to solve it, then a hint, that PA could cause serious issues IMO is ok.
PS: On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 12:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
I suspect that PA already is installed, since the OP referred to GNOME. Less people run GNOME without PA. So neither doesn't PA cause an issue for the OP, nor does it satisfy the OP's needs.
Apologize for the "Freudian slip" ;)
So neither doesn't PA cause an issue for the OP, nor does it satisfy the OP's needs.
So neither PA does cause an issue for the OP, nor does it satisfy the OP's needs.
Am Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:06:20 +0800 schrieb Oon-Ee Ng <ngoonee.talk@gmail.com>:
Yes, why not repeat that opinion in every thread where pulse is brought up? Its not like its repetitive.
Yes, why not repeat that suggestion installing PulseAudio in every thread where somebody has a simple question about selecting an audio card? It's not like it's repetitive. And the most useless suggestion anyway. Heiko
On 15-06-2012 12:42, Heiko Baums wrote:
Have you actually tried using the latest pulseaudio for a couple of weeks? For supported hardware it sure does something somewhat similar to what the OP wants. It sure seems you have some gripe with pulseaudio and/or pulseaudio's upstream and are on a personal crusade to bash it every time you can. Pulseaudio is not perfect but neither is alsa, if alsa only solves the problem then fine, if some user has better luck with pulseaudio+alsa so be it, the user will decide for itself if it sucks or not so just let it rest. -- Mauro Santos
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 13:00 +0100, Mauro Santos wrote:
Ubuntu Studio Precise chips with a new version of PA and a PA Jack bridge. RME HDSPe AIO started working when PA was removed, it didn't work with PA. Regarding to this thread it's irrelevant. BOT as mentioned before, the OP seem to use GNOME, so it's likely that he already has PA installed. Audio out is ok, so PA doesn't cause trouble, but it also doesn't auto-mute the speakers. So EVERYBODY who brings up to install or not install PA does babble and doesn't help. Are there settings for PA, ALSA some GNOME mixer or what ever, that enables what the OP needs?
On 15/06/12 14:12, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
That could be done with udev and ALSA or with PA. At least a PA solution is/was in the wiki (as far as I remember)
Am Fri, 15 Jun 2012 13:00:56 +0100 schrieb Mauro Santos <registo.mailling@gmail.com>:
I haven't tried using the latest PA for a couple of weeks, because I've got an M-Audio Audiophile 24/96. And this is one of those (semi-)professional audio cards which are not supported by PA. So, yes, I have made my experiences. It's not a personal crusade, and it's not bashing. It's just my personal experiences with PA, which totally doesn't work with my audio card. The problems that I have in those discussions, why I "bash" it (as you call it), are those: 1. PA may work with some certain sound cards (only consumer sound cards), but not with every sound and audio card. Still it always gets hyped as the ultimate sound server by the PA fanboys, which allegedly solves every problem and question. But unfortunately those fanboys are usually only those users who only know their own SoundBlaster or AC'97 onboard sound card and simply ignore the fact that there are some other, more professional audio cards. So they think if PA works for them, it has to work for everybody else, which is totally wrong. 2. Those PA fanboys ignore the fact, that PA indeed is an additional layer which can indeed cause additional issues, which make it harder to find the real reason for those issues. 3. Even the PA developers blame ALSA, which works perfectly with those more professional audio cards out-of-the-box, for the bugs in PA, even if it was clear that it is PA's fault. 4. The PA developers try to having made PA to a new de facto Linux standard - that's at least my impression -, even if it doesn't support every sound and audio card. From a de facto Linux standard it can be expected that it supports every hardware of that kind. Until this is not the case it just has to be called crap, if it's treated as a standard. 5. It's somehow related to 4. At least the GNOME developers and some distribution developers force the users to install PA as a dependency of GNOME or the whole distro. This probably isn't a problem for those PA fanboys with some consumer cards. But it is a very big problem for people who own a better sound or audio card, which doesn't work with PA. Those people not only want but even need a working sound output. 6. The PA fanboys always answer every sound related question by suggesting to install PA, regardless of the question and if the problem can be easily solved in other ways. 7. The PA fanboys seem to be persuaded that PA doesn't have and never will have any bugs. 8. PA is just overrated regarding its features. Maybe there are use cases for PA, maybe it can make some things a bit easier for some people. But it's in most cases not necessary as some PA fanboys are always claiming. And this is not bashing. Those are just facts. If PA would be treated as a normal and optional piece of software which can be installed or not, and if it would not be treated as a de facto Linux standard, and if the users would not be forced to install PA as a dependency, I would have absolutely no problem with PA. But as long as the situation is as I described above, you always will read such comments, if someone mentions PA. Either PA has to support every sound and audio card incl. the (semi-)professional audio cards as they are meant to be used (not crippled down to stereo cards) or PA has to be removed as a dependency from every desktop environment and distro. And the PA fanboys should consider if it's really necessary to install PA to solve a problem or to answer a question, or if there are easier ways (in user friendlyness and in KISS). And they should ask before, if PA would even make sense for the questioner. That's the point. Heiko
Having a bit more time to think now, to the OP, if this discussion hasn't scared you off, ask me for my device switching script, am not at my laptop now. And for Heiko.... On Jun 15, 2012 9:23 PM, "Heiko Baums" <lists@baums-on-web.de> wrote:
That load of drivel below isn't bashing? You refer to fanboys and proceed to list a whole loss of statements not made by anyone in this thread. And then you insist that for pulse to be standard it must conform to your standards, which by the way something like cups also fails. Man, I can't believe my office photocopier can't print out stapled copies using cups, it shouldn't be called a standard until it can do that.... Not to mention the multiple times you assume that pulse is being forced on everyone just because it's a dependency of some software. May as well complain how X is being forced on everyone. You, sir, are a troll.
Am 15.06.2012 18:05, schrieb Oon-Ee Ng:
Having a bit more time to think now, to the OP, if this discussion hasn't scared you off,
Well, I have to confess that I became a bit meek by following the discussion. Actually I just wanted to get a solution to my "problem".:) Oon-Ee, It would be great if you can send me your script or tell me the article in the wiki. Heiko, by installing GNOME, pulseaudio was installed as dependency I guess. So please don't blame for starting with pulse, ok ? ^^ After all I am confused if my installation uses ALSA or pulse now. I installed ALSA but the ALSAmixer shows me the volume level of pulse ??? If you made the experience that pulse failed where ALSA succeeded there is nothing to say against it. But I have to deal with my consumer-card (it's really an HDA-chip by Intel) and thus I can't contribute something relevant. What I learned from this discussion 1) there are several sound-layer (OSS, ALSA, pulse, Jack (?)) 2) several layer can work together but also can result conflicts (nothing but logical) Spoken without any irony: thank you all for this experience. I already have at least two more question and I will use this mailinglist with pleasure ! P.S.: Don't care about the headline from GMX. German Mail-Provider sometimes handle mails writen in English very hysterical. I try to train the server-located Spamfilter with every new mail from this ML but it will take a while.
Hi Nelson :) don't worry. I try to explain in simple words, so it's not a perfect explanation. We are humans, nobody is a "fanboy" neither a "troll". Since you seem to be a human too, you soon will be familiar with this stuff too. On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 20:00 +0200, Nelson Marambio wrote:
Pulse handles audio streams, but does use ALSA.
You wrote that you're a newbie and that you use GNOME, so the people who suggested to install pulse where mistaken, since it's already installed and Heiko was mistaken, since audio does work on your machine.
What I learned from this discussion
1) there are several sound-layer (OSS, ALSA, pulse, Jack (?))
OSS (obsolete) and ALSA are the instances that are needed for audio. Pulse and Jack are "layers".
2) several layer can work together but also can result conflicts (nothing but logical)
"Yes!"
We know, we don't care. OTOH it's easy to edit the subject. However, you're welcome and I apologize for that idiotic pulse discussion. Again, everybody should have been aware that your card does work with PA and that it didn't automatically satisfies your need to auto-mute the speakers. Regards, Ralf
On Fri, 2012-06-15 at 20:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
OSS (obsolete) and ALSA are the instances that are needed for audio. Pulse and Jack are "layers".
Sorry for my broken English. You need one of both, the obsolete OSS or the current used ALSA. Stuff similar to PA and jackd, there were (are) others too, handle the audio streams in different ways, but usually use ALSA as backend. Firewire audio devices might be something special.
You wrote that you're a newbie and that you use GNOME,
I am new to Arch but have used Linux for years already before. But there were often problems with release upgrade, lately worse with Mint that is a nice distro though. So I got Arch recommended as of its bleeding-edge-style. I wouldn't be too optimistic that a complete Linux newbie would be able to get Arch started.
We know, we don't care. OTOH it's easy to edit the subject. Indeed ! Right now I've whitelisted the ML-address in the GMX portal,
As I said in the OP it was just a question to use Arch even more comfortable, not as a "must-have". If this comes to the conclusion that my soundchip has no suitable kernel-support for this aspect yet then this is ok for me. Warm regards, Nelson.
Am Fri, 15 Jun 2012 20:00:10 +0200 schrieb Nelson Marambio <nelsonmarambio@gmx.de>:
Heiko, by installing GNOME, pulseaudio was installed as dependency I guess.
That's one of the problems I have with PA, indeed. ;-)
So please don't blame for starting with pulse, ok ?
I don't blame you, but I blame the people who always at once suggest installing and using PA as the ultimate solution and answer for everything. And I blame the developers who force the users to installing PA as a dependency. If PA is working for you, you want to deal with PA and PA solves your problem, it's totally OK for me.
I guess alsamixer only shows its own volume level. PA can set its own volume level which is, of course, relative to the ALSA level. Just turn up the volume to the highest level in PA and switch the volume level in alsamixer. I guess then you will have a clue.
That's absolutely right. With one exception, OSS and ALSA are two different sound drivers on the same level. OSS is the older one, and I don't know if there's still an up-to-date version. ALSA has a OSS plugin for compatibility reasons. PulseAudio and Jack are two sound servers which are on the layer on top of ALSA or OSS. Heiko
On Jun 16, 2012 2:00 AM, "Nelson Marambio" <nelsonmarambio@gmx.de> wrote:
discussion. Actually I just wanted to get a solution to my "problem".:)
Oon-Ee, It would be great if you can send me your script or tell me the article in the wiki.
Still not on my laptop, but I searched around, posted it a while back on the pulseaudio wiki. Here it is http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/PulseAudio/FAQ#How_do_I_switch_the_... Again, not sure if by now there's a way to run this script whenever a card is plugged in and out, if you do find that let me know =). Like I said, I just bind the script to a shortcut key using xbindkeys
On 15/06/2012 8:30 PM, Oon-Ee Ng wrote:
I'm not sure how 'recommended' it is, but there is a method of running scripts when devices are plugged in using udev rules. There is a guide here http://www.banquise.org/hardware/how-to-automatically-run-a-script-after-ins... though it involves being able to identify which device your usb sound device is. (Rather than blindingly following the example I recommend reading through http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html to understand what you are doing)
On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 08:34 -0400, Stephen E. Baker wrote:
it involves being able to identify which device your usb sound device is.
"So run: udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sda (replace sda with you device)" - http://www.banquise.org/hardware/how-to-automatically-run-a-script-after-ins... What is the name for the sound device? FWIW, you get unique device name listed in /proc/asound/ A Swissonic device spinymouse@precise:~$ ls -hAl /proc/asound/ | grep card3 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jun 18 15:14 card3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jun 18 15:14 U0x170b0x11 -> card3 A Korg device spinymouse@precise:~$ ls -hAl /proc/asound/ | grep card3 dr-xr-xr-x 2 root root 0 Jun 18 15:14 card3 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 5 Jun 18 15:14 nanoKONTROL -> card3 but what names are used for "udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/[...]"? spinymouse@precise:~$ ls /sys/block/ loop0 loop2 loop4 loop6 ram0 ram10 ram12 ram14 ram2 ram4 ram6 ram8 sda sr0 loop1 loop3 loop5 loop7 ram1 ram11 ram13 ram15 ram3 ram5 ram7 ram9 sdb
On 18/06/2012 9:48 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
/sys/block/ is block devices (i.e. hard drives, potential ram drives, loop back devices), so it wouldn't be in there. I'm not sure where in /sys it would be, but if you check the last few lines dmesg after plugging it in it should tell you.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 10:24 AM, Stephen E. Baker <baker.stephen.e@gmail.com> wrote:
Try /sys/class/sound/card0 (or card1, or whatever number).
On Mon, 2012-06-18 at 10:43 -0400, Ray Kohler wrote:
Try /sys/class/sound/card0 (or card1, or whatever number).
Without USB spinymouse@precise:~$ ls /sys/class/sound card0 card2 controlC1 dmmidi dmmidi2 midi midi2 midiC1D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC1D0c pcmC2D0c seq card1 controlC0 controlC2 dmmidi1 hwC0D0 midi1 midiC0D0 midiC2D0 pcmC0D0p pcmC1D0p pcmC2D0p timer With USB spinymouse@precise:~$ ls /sys/class/sound card0 card3 controlC2 dmmidi1 hwC0D0 midi2 midiC1D0 pcmC0D0c pcmC1D0p seq card1 controlC0 controlC3 dmmidi2 midi midi3 midiC2D0 pcmC0D0p pcmC2D0c timer card2 controlC1 dmmidi dmmidi3 midi1 midiC0D0 midiC3D0 pcmC1D0c pcmC2D0p :) Should be ok for the needs of the OP, since he doesn't need just one special device. OT: I was thinking of another issue that happens to rtirq users. Some unique names changed, e.g. ICE1712 became ice1, so we can't distinguish between ICE1712 and ICE1724 anymore to set up the prio for soft IRQs and even for other cards rtirq settings needs to be different for different kernel versions.
Am Sat, 16 Jun 2012 00:05:11 +0800 schrieb Oon-Ee Ng <ngoonee.talk@gmail.com>:
That's funny. A troll is calling someone else, who just wrote facts, a troll. But you may keep comparing apples with oranges, if it makes you happy. If your photocopier can't print out staple copies using cups, this is totally different from not being able to hear any sound, because you only have a professional audio card and the sound server you are forced to use is not able to handle this audio card. And cups is not the only printing server. You see the difference? Heiko
On Jun 16, 2012 4:48 AM, "Heiko Baums" <lists@baums-on-web.de> wrote:
Your "facts" are opinions and assumptions, mostly about putting words in the mythical "pulse fanboy's" mouth. Not to mention totally unhelpful to the discussion.
Your previous email indicated sounds could be heard, but only stereo sound. Afaik that's the case for most 5.1 and all 7.1 cards. How is that different from cups not supporting advanced options in my printer? Because pulse is the only existing sound server? You can't and won't use pulse, fine, just don't use it. Jack or pure alsa still work. Just stop pretending that your arbitrary criteria for pulse is in any way an inalienable truth. Just to summarize, it seems your two main gripes are lack of support for semi pro cards and being "forced" to use it. The former is not likely to change, the latter is patently untrue seeing as how you are already not using it.
Heiko
Am Sat, 16 Jun 2012 08:23:54 +0800 schrieb Oon-Ee Ng <ngoonee.talk@gmail.com>:
I would say, your nonsense is unhelpful. And my "facts" are facts. Just read them again, and read all other discussions about questions or problems regarding PA, and you will see it. Those people, who always mention PA as their first and ultimate suggestions without thinking about it - if it really helps, if it really doesn't add additional problems, if it's really useful or necessary for the questioner -, who always say that PA can't have any bugs and can't cause any problems are just fanboys, because this all is just nonsense. If PA works for you, go for it. But if it works for you, doesn't mean, that PA is generally good. And its super-duper features are in most cases just unnecessary. You should really think about that, before you write such a stuff and call other people a troll.
It's different, because those professional audio cards are not stereo sound cards and are not meant for that. And with the users being forced to install and use PA, professional users just can't use these audio cards and can't do their job in the worst case. That's the difference. And, btw., this crippling down to a stereo sound card didn't work for me either if I recall correctly. Buy such an audio card and try it yourself, and you will see. Or ask all the other pro-audio users who need such audio cards. They all will tell you the same. In fact they already did.
You can't and won't use pulse, fine, just don't use it. Jack or pure alsa still work.
I don't use PA, and I don't use GNOME. But there are people who like GNOME and want to use it, but they can't use it, at least not always that easily, because PA is installed as a dependency. As David just mentioned, it seems to be possible meanwhile to uninstall PA. Nevertheless it's more than annoying having PA installed as a dependency, if PA is indeed not a real dependency for GNOME anymore. But when I tried PA it was not possible to use pure ALSA anymore. It was just crap.
Not untrue, it's true. I have such an audio card and I tested PA myself. I bet you don't have such an audio card, you don't know how they work and you haven't tested PA with them. So who should stop pretending anything? You or me? Heiko
On Sat, Jun 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Heiko Baums <lists@baums-on-web.de> wrote:
How is that relevant to this discussion? Or is it now common practice to bring up things posted elsewhere by different people just to prove your point? Straw men are useful that way. Especially when you have an 'either PA is good and awesome or its a useless piece of crap' viewpoint. <snip a lot of repeated stuff>
Sigh, please read before replying. The LATTER is untrue, I'm not saying that your card works with PA (though you yourself said it does, to a degree, meaning in stereo). You should stop pretending to being forced to use PA (or that anyone in Linux is forced to use PA), because THAT is untrue. In other words, gripe 1 = support for semi-pro cards, gripe 2 = being forced to use PA. Gripe 1 is not likely to change, whether you like it or not. PA is an abstraction which means the application using it doesn't need to care about coding for ALSA. Upstream's decision for now is that supporting non-stereo or 5.1 cards is not yet worth the hassle. Gripe 2 is untrue and just FUD, especially on an Arch Linux list where the developers (wonder in particular) have practically bent over backwards accommodating users who want the choice.
On-topic: Perhaps the OP find something helpful here: http://0pointer.de/lennart/ Hth, Ralf -- OT signature, feel free to reply !!!off-list only!!! Since two list members call each other names. One bone of contention: "Mon, 16 Jan 2012 PulseAudio vs. AudioFlinger" - http://0pointer.de/blog links to http://arunraghavan.net/2012/01/pulseaudio-vs-audioflinger-fight/ : "Let’s introduce our contenders first. For those who don’t know, PulseAudio is pretty much a de-facto standard part of the Linux audio stack." Another bone of contention:
It's said that some pro-audio users don't have issues with PA. Maybe there's something different for firewire devices or what ever is different for their cards, from the same vendor as mine card is. And it's said that at least one pro-audio user has no issues to turn PA off and on, using all sorts of cards from the same vendor as my card is. Perhaps there are more users who are able to turn PA off and on, since there are many Wikis that describe how to do this. I still wonder why it's not working for many other pro-audio users and the most common way is to get rid of PA. Well-reputed multimedia distros wish to support to turn it off and on, but don't get it working, so they usually remove PA or try a PA jackd bridge, which if it should work, would have a serious drawback regarding to resources, but the bride doesn't work for several users. "Muting internal speakers" is the wrong thread to discuss this again. http://0pointer.de/imprint or Lennart Poettering <pulseaudio-discuss (at) lists (dot) freedesktop (dot) org> is the right address for the question why it can't be easily stop and started. When arts sound server was common, it easily could be stopped and started. Heiko off-list you'll meat hundreds of people sharing your opinion, but it's common not to mention some issue on mailing lists, to avoid chip away at some coders images. Regarding to other pro-audio issues I behaved like you until the end of last month, beginning of this month. Emotionally charged users, you, some others and I better be more quiet. There are others charing our opinions who are more talented to communicate with some people, they soft-soap some people and don't submit bug reports. A history including flame wars, split communities: http://www.levenez.com/unix/unix_a4.pdf Soon or later some will ban you from a mailing list and others wish you to subscribe to their mailing list. Yesterday I watched the animation film "Persepolis" F/USA 2007 [1], a quote from the German synced version: "Die Freiheit hat immer einen Preis" (in English perhaps "Freedom always comes at a price") [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persepolis_%28film%29
ANYONE can easily unplug and send a photocopier back because it doesn't print on thick enough paper for quality business cards.
You, sir, are a troll.
He may be a Troll for hijacking the thread, though I haven't followed the thread closely enough to say so. You are a worse Troll because you haven't added any value at all. 9./ PA doesn't work with a grsecurity kernel. Unfortunately many manufacturers of high quality cards don't support Linux at all anyway. I can understand his annoyance when he has found one and it's been broken by PA which he's had to spend lots of time disabling. If Arch has doen everything it can to make this easier, then wow those upstream devs are arrogant or blind to all the uses of their software. I notice Gnome3 doesn't provide focus window without raise upon click as all other Window managers do and easily configurable out of the box too. ________________________________________________________ Why not do something good every day and install BOINC. ________________________________________________________
On Jun 16, 2012 10:31 PM, "Kevin Chadwick" <ma1l1ists@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
cups, it
Sorry, no idea how this relates.
Please follow the thread and note who contributed the only actual on topic and workable solution which isn't "oh, don't do what they're suggesting because I've had problems with it on this setup".
On Sat, 2012-06-16 at 15:30 +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
He may be a Troll for hijacking the thread, though I haven't followed the thread closely enough to say so.
He isn't a troll since there where stupid recommendations to install PA to a system where PA already is installed. The PA "fanboys" recommended it, before thinking and Heiko just said, that it's not smart to recommend PA, as soon as audio doesn't work.
You are a worse Troll because you haven't added any value at all.
No, IIRC he was the only one who at least linked to a scrip that can be used with a shortcut or launcher and mentioned, that it might be possible to add some lines that take care of mounted USB devices. So again, much noise regarding to big nothing :D.
Am 17.06.2012 13:11, schrieb Ralf Mardorf:
Agreed ! Still I wonder why the discussion hand to end up this way. At least there were some constructive suggestions so to say from Oon-Ee, Ralf, Mike and two more guys AFAIR. To say it again I asked a quite technical question. The GENERAL (dis-)advantages of related software (or with other needs) may be discussable but then it also should be a separate discussion. I will have a close look at Oon-Ee's script and poljarinho's module hint. Guess one or both will work. Best regards, Nelson.
On Fri, 15 Jun 2012 11:04:30 +0200 Heiko Baums <lists@baums-on-web.de> wrote:
Talk about serious sour grapes .. I have 2 sound cards one internal and a USB one with PA gives me a lot less bother than ALSA did .. Pete -- Linux 7-of-9 3.3.8-1-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Jun 5 15:20:32 CEST 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux
True! Maybe many people got the bad impression of PA in previous versions.
Am Fri, 15 Jun 2012 18:22:45 +0800 schrieb ShichaoGao <xgdgsc@gmail.com>:
True! Maybe many people got the bad impression of PA in previous versions.
Wrong! Maybe many people got the bad impression of PA, because PA just still doesn't work with their audio cards, and because PA still causes more problems than it solves. There are only a very few SoundBlaster and AC'97 onboard sound cards which are supported by PA. Maybe PA works with those sound cards. But it doesn't work with other ones like the (semi-)professional audio cards. And most of PA's features - well, every useful feature - is available by ALSA and/or the audio applications themselves. Nevertheless installing PA just adds a new additional layer that can cause problems. So finding the reason for a bug is unnecessarily more complicated than without PA. Oh yes, I forgot, PA doesn't and never will have any bugs. Bugs are always only caused by ALSA, which works absolute flawlessly, even with those (semi-)professional audio cards. Heiko
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/15/12 04:52, Heiko Baums wrote:
I think it *might* be possible to configure PulseAudio to work correctly. But in my experience, only LinuxMint has gotten this right out of the box. In *all* other cases (prior to Arch Linux), I have had to make a point of rowing upstream to expunge as much of pulseaudio as I possibly could (I've generally had to leave the libraries) in order to get sound working. And in the majority of these cases over the last few years, removing pulseaudio was the *only* thing I had to do to get sound working. - -- David Benfell benfell@parts-unknown.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJP2zhTAAoJELT202JKF+xp7rQP/3RYI29mQYvfbOdbNEsvQtxe B0h65a1IEvh/siTrySXwoUb0t237Wc1KmY1pN2i0TdOlR6wtXVIPDV9aXYjoCU+8 dWgS+Od1YHUWBUEssvTNlF/4QN6EzKzBAtaE17oQrvRAJHcvFYGyPMEkBEqWvZNY GbxItrV3gayOMjne41smc3qflTN3PjAudfJ5oMIEVO776ZGjfZJ5ymZeWQ6fvN/1 Suwkcc/WLZDH4drAqQk88trud3KTvvWXk4su/Qs6lMg9AsTPbR7C5Hp4sBA1GjA2 d2OM9mYYCuSnxp5gXdcRQIeFPYGfk37yZ8ad1be+F0hUA0/oQ5o5Sy0GLHLcPyGL MAZoI+JRZOdB0l04VI+KY0e+84hQUzxde6PVToIV1tC4Lfn3nSFffKgJKccNqKLW 7lGLxDPNFiNXvVRPylaPlhXwL/yP7Ri7ZkdNXU5aCtZkg4R+iiMPJchabRFnBM59 PSVqGRffIsrOdEZ5oDL74qivj5tCEpth+wgELfd3eTW+gCHOGMzJlsMTdV3SokO9 J/365HpnV06UgTwNneON+1bRrhSVq24chj6dI9qTRHfqPTJ0JKgif6PyClhnBIvm 3CIndq8UYmSWe+opduKX9s8RE3vTChO3JYrmJ2l9eGPD96RhH+7VXAdL9H59e/dp HmkJcrjCFGHt4WvCcbny =4KbF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Am Fri, 15 Jun 2012 06:27:47 -0700 schrieb David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org>:
Unfortunately not. The configuration methods you find in the web, in several forums and mailing lists is just a workaround. Well, I wouldn't even call it workaround, because those professional audio cards are crippled down to simple stereo cards by those configurations. PA is not able to handle those audio cards as they are meant to be handled.
And in the majority of these cases over the last few years, removing pulseaudio was the *only* thing I had to do to get sound working.
I must admit that I'm not a GNOME user, I'm using Xfce, but I don't think that it is the right way to force the users to install PA as a dependency, even if PA can be uninstalled afterwards. On the other hand I read that it's not that easy to just uninstall PA. Heiko
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/15/12 13:29, Heiko Baums wrote:
I found it more annoying to uninstall pulseaudio than difficult. And it's fair to say I was already annoyed, so there has also been a cathartic element to it. Basically, using whatever package manager was appropriate to the distribution, I searched and removed pulse*, remembering that some packages that list pulseaudio as a dependency are in fact meta-packages that simply exist to bring in all associated packages and which can in fact be removed once you have a functioning installation (though you may find you want to mark other desired packages as manually selected). - -- David Benfell benfell@parts-unknown.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJP28B3AAoJELT202JKF+xpeJ8P/2qbU6eYkaae9FoI1n0mtE8q doxyw/mLx3e5hABhFrf5CS90ocJDYQ6EqIBM4bkSHCuBvkfu7nOnJtACicwhyjkK 6JOHsUpUmXhpiFT78jvzRvJMFjIb+NOu5uzycaSDw3CctnztZVGtSb9f5u6Cui0r kVRLFdDiSypN5PKt2zlQaDmXaJZo7qNCDeyDiNly1TRb2pWB1MtEcVzxbHXkyaNo 5UE90DERjvLS2oULNHogVhjilKjJhx5mKD5n/kjlumpbBicNL1u03lMZ5pLKAvkp 8apsXiomDzRJW/cichooQhe3PTe1GFKRf8lDFRzH6DfzRrKYJhWdwBVm5/Cxn4aj P+ANM4Lk6FGAPQvfWDUHsDC+Ts85jd+9alsK+q95oovOSlBUDPCeDgRxS9K7Qh4S E/stwF6sVXaBNRxHZI3dnYge0OHVNQGh0b3aKFoOlc1wKvZQksmagOP5TBUEnO91 BIpINq38mk3IiWwJ5gDhuEQZrWFbyzurkCMD8XK046+s6tTGKkGc64H/3KSloekK hxPjhVM1LehIqQWJxJGs3poCuqva2Q5xFo7oYvVvFYF1/pDGNZNU1F+AaB8Z9/0B xU1vLFidK7WdkLYgZrnVzgSk7OLGEhTTu3F63eLSM3xPX2XOTWxejJz2uNHG6+Jy SFb7w3aiqUeY4ADbUAbK =dxpN -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Am Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:08:40 -0700 schrieb David Benfell <benfell@parts-unknown.org>:
This sounds like PA isn't a dependency for GNOME any longer? This would mean that it's just a downstream bug, and PA should be handled as an optional dependency or not as a dependency at all by the distros. Heiko
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 06/15/12 18:45, Heiko Baums wrote:
More that it is an artifact of how Ubuntu--and I think other distributions, especially those related to Ubuntu--manage their package systems to install all the pieces they choose to install. They create packages--meta-packages--that have no functionality in and of themselves but come with lots and lots of dependencies, those being all the pieces they want to draw in. Then they can, at installation time, essentially list a very short number of meta-packages to install, and let all those dependencies be sorted out by the package manager. So it isn't necessarily really a gnome thing, though that might be how the distributions bring it together. - -- David Benfell benfell@parts-unknown.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJP2/P0AAoJELT202JKF+xpeEcP/2E5wNoem9XDO+qSaO2/P7IQ VKFtEOYbNfXhVn9MlkqJK3bbGFAhzZlzg7COOSihhw8kaa2jLA3/G1xjpZoXHoM9 qWIG8f0RTZbUgfMfFG+eeDxZ1ExkkC8fgPgXhfo17qE4f3gZgWU32MkRXGLGlCer wQl/JJ3NlcN3zw/IonPCuHa4SQrQZLBdAyxODZZl1HsYuc+5BkChTqqdP1qZqhzn fzz4NlLI+f/PmQq7AoiTRxJFIQEiHo/E9W9hixMhnzUmZs+42iauFvxdxMQUoUf/ ECPgVYtQAa/7yWxBdH9neVR0gQBLmKo10axLYpSXR7CPvF9UzXpgbHswiaqsoQDK Ag+4LY6QfG8TdZauq55qdm4N161zV8rLEvpzdDOG4fUI3jwBdTRjGmTXztyMGAW7 PwKFF2sA8B6R1n6bY6TB5nrbwQKfEteUvu/oPRY9kPkvrbiDeaPPG0cyU9cwPymt 2b3sH1IAKFNDYXpd1sQ4gRxNcZVZwbZuWUvFyDRvHWFErP4ZQaoRgB/aSfmnY0tP SZIJj/RuSHrYF6xoYmDUhAP4HKPKBBepKbLps+A3uPWV9zt1qpF3XVzS6cuRSMdw XzDmLsTv1Ha7HHfBprfD0+AUdrY2rBJsPYxVhxH+znn4+Ai7qJ2O6eCApJi4YfM6 EkV8Px/4/5Jf7G9cIKvi =hGpd -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, You have rather new laptop, right? So most probable is that you have soundcard based on HDA chipset, you could check this with this command (type it in your favourite terminal emulator, like xterm or gnome-terminal): $ lsmod | grep hda If you see something like "snd_hda_codec" it means that you have it :) Now from Kernel documentation: "Another related problem is the automatic mute of speaker output by headphone plugging. This feature is implemented in most cases, but not on every preset model or codec-support code. In anyway, try a different model option if you have such a problem. Some other models may match better and give you more matching functionality. If none of the available models works, send a bug report. See the bug report section for details." It basically means that driver for your card is buggy, or is wrongly advertised by BIOS to kernel and bad driver is assign to handle the card. In that situation you could try to manually assign it. At [1] you've got comprehensible thread what to do with it. I hope that help :) [1] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1043568 ---- Pozdrawiam Łukasz Redynk W dniu 14.06.2012 22:52, Nelson Marambio pisze:
On Jun 15, 2012 9:19 PM, "Łukasz Redynk" <lukas.redynk@gmail.com> wrote
No it wouldn't because he was talking about a separate USB device.
W dniu 15.06.2012 17:53, Oon-Ee Ng pisze:
Ok, I've missed the USB part and thought it's about mini jack connection, my bad. -- Pozdrawiam Łukasz Redynk
On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 10:52:16PM +0200, Nelson Marambio wrote:
I think this module [1] would solve your problem. (If you didn't abandon PA already) https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio#Automatically_switch_to_Blue...
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 04:06:27PM -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
Dmesg output is here
umm that just is kde crashing. what exactly is the error when trying to shut down or reboot, or where is the hang? before or after shutting down X, are there error messages displayed? what happens if you just log in to tty and try to shutdown/reboot? cheers! mar77i
Logs here: http://pastebin.com/0BMzruNJ Nothing happens, this is the point. I can still use the system normally after the shutdown command. It does not turn X off. It does not shutdown just after the broadcast. This is what I consider extremelly strange. AS you pointed out I could have something waiting to be unmounted so I did a umount -a and kill -9 -1 to be sure nothing was hanging. Still could not shutdown. by the way thanks a lot for all the insights so far guys. I'm sure we can work it out :) 2012/6/12 Martti Kühne <mysatyre@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 05:53:36PM -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
...3 or 4 recent bug reports [0]. Your problem is the kde's fine "nepomuk" software [1]. I find it a pretty thorough achievment to let this stuff crash this way. What version of extra/kdebase-runtime do you have installed? cheers! mar77i [0] http://www.google.ch/search?q=nepomuk+error+4+in+libstreams.so
So can I justremove it and check what happens? This makes sense as nepomuk keeps indexing all the contents of the machine. I will try to remove it and check what happens. Which part of the logs gave you the hint about nepomuk? Regards, Victor 2012/6/12 Martti Kühne <mysatyre@gmail.com>
Sorry for double posting but just sat and though and I realized nopomuk isprobably unrelated since the problem also happens if I'm on tty and never start the x server. 2012/6/12 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 06:26:59PM -0300, Victor Silva wrote:
well, that's what I could tell from the log you posted in [0]. line 21 contained a program name and a shared object. sorry, and sorry for saying "that was the problem". I should have made clearer these things aren't usually the culprit. the process in question isn't running when you log in to tty, though? and tty also hangs comparably to what you described with X? There was a way that made old kernels dump all syslog to tty12, which I think was removed from syslog.conf. I only know I left it in however, if shutting down immediately crashes, sleep 2 && shutdown; <ctrl-alt-f12> could work... Also, please answer below, not above previous posts. cheers! mar77i [0] http://pastebin.com/HjwGvDsp
2012/6/12 Martti Kühne <mysatyre@gmail.com>
Oki, I'm new to the mailing lists so sorry if I missbehave a bit. :) A thing I've noticed is for some reason /dev/sdb5 which is my /boot partition in another harddisk keeps mounted after the boot process which was not the previous behaviour as far as I can remmember. I googled a bit and found no reasons to make it noauto. Can it be related to the problem? Regards, Victor
On 06/12/2012 02:06 PM, Victor Silva wrote:
I had a similar problem that began several months ago with my box hanging on shutdown or reboot. This problem was related to samba shares not being unmounted. To get around the problem a created an entry in '/etc/rc.local.shutdown' to call a script to unmount the drives. This solved the problem. The script I call simply checks whether there is still an entry in /etc/mtab for the share and if so, manually unmounts the share: [[ $UID -eq 0 ]] && umountcmd=umount || umountcmd="sudo umount" if grep -q mnt\/phx-cfg /etc/mtab; then echo "umount /mnt/phx-cfg" $umountcmd /mnt/phx-cfg fi if grep -q mnt\/phx-david /etc/mtab; then echo "umount /mnt/phx-david" $umountcmd /mnt/phx-david fi if grep -q mnt\/phx /etc/mtab; then echo "umount /mnt/phx" $umountcmd /mnt/phx fi if grep -q mnt\/win /etc/mtab; then echo "umount /mnt/win" $umountcmd /mnt/win fi if grep -q mnt\/pv /etc/mtab; then echo "umount /mnt/pv" $umountcmd /mnt/pv fi exit 0 If you are experiencing shutdown hangs do to lingering mount issues, then something similar to this setup may help. (I never did figure out why the normal shutdown scripts didn't do this automatically) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
2012/6/14 David C. Rankin <drankinatty@suddenlinkmail.com>
I have no shares. Can I somehow try to umount everything in mtab? I'm not familiar with the internal workings of mtab. I will read a bit. Also the only thing I assume could be hanging is my external HD which I disconnected having no effect on the problem behavior. Still I reported that my /boot partition was being mounted and listed on kde file manager (forgot its name) which was not default behavior. So could be the case that /boot is hanging my shoutdown? I don't get the reason umount -a && shutdown -h now did not do the trick. I ask gently again if you could inform me why did the "magic reboot" did work while shutdown did not. Regards, Victor
On 06/14/2012 03:12 PM, Victor Silva wrote:
Victor, I am no expert in the shutdown logic that Arch uses, but it is fairly easy to follow. During shutdown, /etc/rc.shutdown is called and the 'umount_all' command is supposed to take care of unmounting all non-api filesystems. If you have specific commands you need run in _addition to_ what is done by rc.shutdown, then you can put those commands in /etc/rc.local.shutdown. The /etc/rc.local.shutdown must be executable to be called (chmod +x) or (chmod 0755). The rc.local.shutdown file is called close to the beginning of rc.shutdown. Looking at your mtab file and comparing to mine, I do not have any usb drives connected to my system. Somebody more familiar with issues related to usb drives will need to comment. You might want to try Guillermo's shutdown modified as follows: umount -arfl -t usbfs,fuseblk I don't know if that will do it, but you have 5 fuseblk filesystems and 1 usbfs mounted. I don't know how Arch handles their unmounting. Lastly, I do not use the gnome gvfs-fuse-daemon. That is another entry to look at and make sure it isn't the issue. Maybe try your rc.local.shutdown with: umount -arfl -t usbfs,fuseblk killall gvfs-fuse-daemon # or whatever that process actually runs as -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
On 06/15/2012 08:29 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
While reading through this to see how much it relates to my shutdown issues, I have noticed this. With gvfs-fuse-daemon install I noticed in top it is being run with what I would think is an incorrect command. /usr/lib/gvfs//gvfs-fuse-daemon -f /home/user/.gvfs The double slash is not a typo on my part that is how it is listed. Do you see the same results when seeing how the gvfs daemon is being run on the system? I am going to try reinstalling it and seeing if it will install properly and not be run with the double slash. Have not noticed this until today.
On 06/15/2012 08:29 AM, David C. Rankin wrote:
Well just tried reinstalling made no difference. So I guess I will be looking it why it is starting that way. It may or may not be related to the shutdown issues. But other than this one thing my symptoms seem to match this minus the screen turning red when freezing. I will post back here if I sort anything out that may help this problem.
2012/6/15 Don deJuan <donjuansjiz@gmail.com>
On 06/15/2012 02:48 PM, Victor Silva wrote:
After reading more into that parameter I found this http://linux.koolsolutions.com/2009/08/04/howto-fix-linux-hangfreeze-during-... They show more options. I am going to try the one you suggested shortly and if that does not work do the other suggested option in the link I posted. Thanks for pointing out your findings.
2012/6/15 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
errors: *Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 10.463651] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 10.464913] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 10.466051] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 10.467189] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 10.468305] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 10.469389] microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 11.920779] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page present Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 11.920880] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 11.924824] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page present Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 11.924924] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 11.931887] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] No Caching mode page present Jun 16 13:55:48 localhost kernel: [ 11.931982] sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] Assuming drive cache: write through * Are my kernel sources messed? I'm still unable the shutdown. Anyone got any ideas which can help? :(
2012/6/16 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
I've solved this issue by adding microcode to modules array in rc.conf thou I've never used this before. Still I'm unable to shutdown. Regards, Victor
2012/6/16 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
Folks I'm still investigating the issue. After I try to reboot kernel log gave me this hint: Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432301] "echo 0 > /proc/sys/kernel/hung_task_timeout_secs" disables this message. Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432303] shutdown D 0000000000000001 0 2902 2897 0x00000000 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432305] ffff8801c39fbe30 0000000000000086 ffff8801ca2cafa0 ffff8801c39fbfd8 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432308] ffff8801c39fbfd8 ffff8801c39fbfd8 ffff880199ae07f0 ffff8801ca2cafa0 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432310] 0007ffffffffffff ffff880222b0ee00 0000000000000000 0000000000000000 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432312] Call Trace: Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432315] [<ffffffff81084c22>] ? default_wake_function+0x12/0x20 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432317] [<ffffffff8119c3b0>] ? __sync_filesystem+0x90/0x90 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432319] [<ffffffff81222f38>] ? blk_finish_plug+0x18/0x50 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432321] [<ffffffff814689c9>] schedule+0x29/0x70 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432323] [<ffffffff81469455>] rwsem_down_failed_common+0xc5/0x160 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432325] [<ffffffff81117d22>] ? do_writepages+0x22/0x50 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432327] [<ffffffff8119c3b0>] ? __sync_filesystem+0x90/0x90 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432329] [<ffffffff81469525>] rwsem_down_read_failed+0x15/0x17 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432331] [<ffffffff8124afc4>] call_rwsem_down_read_failed+0x14/0x30 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432333] [<ffffffff814678a7>] ? down_read+0x17/0x20 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432335] [<ffffffff81171db0>] iterate_supers+0x80/0xf0 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432337] [<ffffffff8119c4e0>] sys_sync+0x30/0x70 Jun 18 02:30:48 localhost kernel: [ 600.432338] [<ffffffff8146a7a9>] system_call_fastpath+0x16/0x1b Google came up with: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/linux/kernel/1306758 Can it be the same semaphore issue?
2012/6/18 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
A guy pinpointed to a pattern on the forums: * * *arti74 wrote:* *What I've noticed yet - htop shows 100% CPU usage on that command: /bin/mount -o realtime /dev/sda4 /mnt/usbhd-sda4 - I can't kill it, shutdown or reboot can't kill it either. Interesting thing is, that I don't have sda4 partition at all. My fstab:* *# /etc/fstab: static file system information. # # <file system> <mount point> <type> <options> <dump> <pass>* *devpts /dev/pts devpts defaults 0 0 /dev/sda2 / ext4 defaults 0 1 /dev/sda6 /home ext4 defaults 0 1 /dev/sdb1 /mnt/FA auto defaults,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=udisks,uid=1000,gid=100,dmask=0077,fmask=0177 0 0 /dev/sda3 /var reiserfs defaults 0 1 shm /dev/shm tmpfs nodev,nosuid 0 0* *uname -r 3.4.2-2-ARCH* I have the SAME problem so it seems we discovered what is wrong. No ideas about how to fix thou.
Hello, on GRUB2 wiki, I see in case of serious problems, I am dropped to a rescue shell. At one time, I shall type :
insmod(hd1,1) /grub/normal.mod **my /boot is on separate partition on /dev/sdb1
When I look inside my /boot/grub folder, I can see the file normal.mod is inside /i386-pc folder. So why not instead type :
insmod(hd1,1) /grub/i386-pc/normal.mod
TY **
2012/6/19 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
After the last update with 3.4.4-2-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jun 24 18:59:47 CEST 2012 x86_64 GNU/Linux rules seem to be working again :)
2012/7/1 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
It works but again I have a core stuck in 100% use. renice did not solve the trick. Any ideas?
I had the same problema, but I used umount -arfl -t nfs,nfs4,smbfs,cifs and it works... :-) Best Regards Guillermo Leira
2012/6/14 Guillermo Leira <gleira@gleira.com>
I've tried Guillermo approach and Davids too no luck. Maybe this can help, here are the contents of my mtab is something strange? *cat /etc/mtab rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 proc /proc proc rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0 sys /sys sysfs rw,nosuid,nodev,noexec,relatime 0 0 dev /dev devtmpfs rw,nosuid,relatime,size=4054576k,nr_inodes=1013644,mode=755 0 0 run /run tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,mode=755 0 0 /dev/sdb3 / ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 devpts /dev/pts devpts rw,relatime,mode=600,ptmxmode=000 0 0 shm /dev/shm tmpfs rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime 0 0 binfmt /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc binfmt_misc rw,relatime 0 0 /dev/sdb5 /media/usbhd-sdb5 ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 /dev/sdb1 /media/System_Reserved fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 /dev/sda3 /media/usbhd-sda3 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 /dev/sda1 /media/usbhd-sda1 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 /dev/sda2 /media/usbhd-sda2 fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 /dev/sdc1 /media/HITACHI fuseblk rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=0,group_id=0,default_permissions,allow_other,blksize=4096 0 0 /dev/sdb5 /boot ext4 rw,relatime,user_xattr,acl,barrier=1,data=ordered 0 0 none /proc/bus/usb usbfs rw,relatime,devgid=121,devmode=664,busgid=108,busmode=775 0 0 gvfs-fuse-daemon /home/imanewbie/.gvfs fuse.gvfs-fuse-daemon rw,nosuid,nodev,relatime,user_id=1000,group_id=100 0 0* Regards, Victor
2012/6/14 Victor Silva <vfbsilva@gmail.com>
Looking at the forums I've found this: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=142644 No time to check now but can it be related? Regards, Victor
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