On Thursday 29 April 2010 10:10 PM, dave reisner wrote:

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Nilesh Govindarajanwrote:

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Hi,

I want to impress my friend by showing them the Windows 7 Look on Linux and persuade them to ditch Windows and use Linux.

I have enabled compiz and some effects. Anybody knows how to take screenshot of the Ring Switcher ?

-- Nilesh Govindarajan Site& Server Administrator www.itech7.com मेरा भारत महान ! मम भारत: महत्तम भवतु !

The screenshot utility in Gnome should allow you to set a delay on the screenshot.

<soapbox> The bling-bling of Compiz is a poor selling point for the real potential of Linux, and I don't believe you should try to "persuade" anyone to switch OSs. </soapbox>

d

I don't use GNOME (I don't have it installed, switched to KDE completely). As far as I have seen, the moment people hear the name 'Linux' it reminds them of the console. They think, Linux sucks in GUI sometimes even they think it has no GUI. So this is important. Why do you think other mainstream distros like Ubuntu and Fedora spend so much time on Eye Candy ? -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Administrator www.itech7.com मेरा भारत महान ! मम भारत: महत्तम भवतु !

On Thursday 29 April 2010 19:11:25 Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:

On Thursday 29 April 2010 10:10 PM, dave reisner wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Nilesh Govindarajanwrote:

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Hi,

I want to impress my friend by showing them the Windows 7 Look on Linux and persuade them to ditch Windows and use Linux.

I have enabled compiz and some effects. Anybody knows how to take screenshot of the Ring Switcher ?

-- Nilesh Govindarajan Site& Server Administrator www.itech7.com मेरा भारत महान ! मम भारत: महत्तम भवतु !

The screenshot utility in Gnome should allow you to set a delay on the screenshot.

<soapbox> The bling-bling of Compiz is a poor selling point for the real potential of Linux, and I don't believe you should try to "persuade" anyone to switch OSs. </soapbox>

d

I don't use GNOME (I don't have it installed, switched to KDE completely).

In KSnapshot (native KDE app) you can set a delay too.

As far as I have seen, the moment people hear the name 'Linux' it reminds them of the console. They think, Linux sucks in GUI sometimes even they think it has no GUI. So this is important. Why do you think other mainstream distros like Ubuntu and Fedora spend so much time on Eye Candy ?

There is a difference between forcing users to switch to Linux (which I think is a bad choice) and teaching them what is Linux today (GUI, tools, choice...). It's not improtant that your friends will not use Linux, but they will tell their friends the truth about current state of Linux and these will tell their friends etc...and possibly, as this will spread there will be someone who will try to use Linux and maybe will stick with it. I think that this is the proper way how to spread Linux. But maybe I'm just too optimistic :-) Dan -- --------------------------------- Dan Vrátil vratil@progdansoft.com ICQ 249163429 Jabber progdan@jabber.cz Tel. +420 732 326 870

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:

That's the main aim for which I want to do this. By showing them the screenshots which will look "awesome" to them, it may be possible to win their minds.

This is the silliest reason I've ever heard for switching to Linux. Here are 25 MUCH more important ones : http://www.linfo.org/reasons_to_convert.html

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:

I know this is a silly reason, but this is the general trend I've observed dealing with people in real life and on the internet. They fear from using Linux because they think it has no GUI or it is bad.

Well that's not completely wrong. Tell me how many people install/use/maintain an Arch system without ever touching the command line ? The kde+qt vs gnome+gtk separation doesn't help either for having a coherent and consistent GUI experience. Even Ubuntu documentation contains some occasional commands lines, e.g. random example : https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/keeping-safe/C/firewall.html#id2774297 A lot of ubuntu guide/tutorial often relies on the command line as well. However all the big distrib have indeed made a lot of effort to provide more and more GUI for every aspect of the system, and it improved a lot in the last years. I don't know if a stupid compiz effect is a good illustration of that progress, but well. Anyway while it's true you can do a lot via a GUI on ubuntu,fedora,suse,etc nowadays, what would Linux be without its great and powerful CLI ? I spend a lot of times every day using a linux terminal, and I just love it. I miss it a lot every time I am forced to use windows.

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Xavier Chantry wrote:

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:

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That's the main aim for which I want to do this. By showing them the screenshots which will look "awesome" to them, it may be possible to win their minds.

This is the silliest reason I've ever heard for switching to Linux.

Here are 25 MUCH more important ones : http://www.linfo.org/reasons_to_convert.html

Oh come on, who cares about technical reasons or freedom 0. We're all using Linux just because it's cool. Aren't we?.. :)

On 04/30/2010 06:20 AM, Ng Oon-Ee wrote:

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 2:19 AM, Denis Kobozev wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Xavier Chantry wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:

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That's the main aim for which I want to do this. By showing them the screenshots which will look "awesome" to them, it may be possible to win their minds.

This is the silliest reason I've ever heard for switching to Linux.

Here are 25 MUCH more important ones : http://www.linfo.org/reasons_to_convert.html

Oh come on, who cares about technical reasons or freedom 0. We're all using Linux just because it's cool. Aren't we?.. :)

Perfect place to insert this comic:- http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20080608

LOL nice one -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Administrator www.itech7.com मेरा भारत महान ! मम भारत: महत्तम भवतु !

2010/4/29 Gaetan Bisson :

[2010-04-29 22:58:10 +0530] Nilesh Govindarajan:

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That's the main aim for which I want to do this. By showing them the screenshots which will look "awesome" to them, it may be possible to win their minds.

What if we're elitist and don't want newbies like you switching to Linux and polluting the signal-to-noise ratio of our beloved mailing-lists with useless, off-topic questions?

Yes, MLs, forums and whatnot. When I need to search for any Linux thing I usually google "whatever -ubuntu" to filter out crap.

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What if we're elitist and don't want newbies like you switching to Linux

The ml is not the place for you to be a jackass. Take it elsewhere

*gasp* How long till this whole community just figures it hates itself and vaporizes to dust? I'll be there and fuel the vaporizer.

On 04/30/2010 09:47 AM, Piyush P Kurur wrote:

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:41:25PM +0530, Nilesh Govindarajan wrote:

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On Thursday 29 April 2010 10:10 PM, dave reisner wrote:

I don't use GNOME (I don't have it installed, switched to KDE completely).

As far as I have seen, the moment people hear the name 'Linux' it reminds them of the console. They think, Linux sucks in GUI sometimes even they think it has no GUI. So this is important. Why do you think other mainstream distros like Ubuntu and Fedora spend so much time on Eye Candy ?

Wait for their machines to be infected by worms all over which it will. Partition their disk and put for them a clean GNU/Linux or BSD system (Linux if they are into skyping etc). Use XFCE as wm. Not Gnome/KDE, its too heavy and its slugginess will put people of.

Few more points

(1) Make sure that auto mounting of devices happen. (2) Add icons for things like skype/ekiga/pidgin/firefox etc

No jazzy desktop effects are required.

This strategy had worked wonderfully with people who are not "power" windoze users (parents, uncles, aunts, in-laws, grand mother etc). Desktop effects only scare them off. For the power users you might need compiz and all that. But then after conversion introduce them to the tiling window manager like xmonad and programms like screen, firefox + vimperator etc.

Regards

ppk

They have good systems with RAM over 1 GB and disk over 100 GB, so that's not an issue. Thanks for the tips about automount, etc. Automount is the easiest to configure in GNOME/KDE, I have suffered a lot without automount in XFCE and LXDE, tried the fixes from wiki but I don't know where I went wrong, so finally I migrated to KDE. -- Nilesh Govindarajan Site & Server Administrator www.itech7.com मेरा भारत महान ! मम भारत: महत्तम भवतु !