[arch-general] About arch-install-scripts and new official iso.
Hello. I've read the wiki page for arch-install-scripts. It is not very "user-friendly". Any hope to see this "embedded" in a program, like good old arch/setup ? I'm not afraid of these scripts, but it could drive away some users which are not ready for a so "simplified" installation tool. -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies@gmail.com
fredbezies <fredbezies@gmail.com> wrote: Hello. I've read the wiki page for arch-install-scripts. It is not very "user-friendly". Any hope to see this "embedded" in a program, like good old arch/setup ? I'm not afraid of these scripts, but it could drive away some users which are not ready for a so "simplified" installation tool. -- Frederic Bezies fredbezies@gmail.com For the beginner's guide, I think there should merely be a lot more explanation for those commands instead of a wrapper script. I think it's awesome for beginners to see how easily and simply a system is actually installed. It is both educative and effective in communicating the arch way.
2012/7/16 fredbezies <fredbezies@gmail.com>
Hello.
I've read the wiki page for arch-install-scripts. It is not very "user-friendly". Any hope to see this "embedded" in a program, like good old arch/setup ?
I'm not afraid of these scripts, but it could drive away some users which are not ready for a so "simplified" installation tool.
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Frederic Bezies fredbezies@gmail.com
I think you want to use ArchBoot, the oldest oficial setup. -- Sds., Leandro Inácio S. Carvalho blog.leandroinacio.eti.br archlinux-br.org Linux User: #475144 LPIC-1 (LPI000212497) Arch Linux User "Não existe atalho para o desenvolvimento, para progredirmos precisamos de ação, dedicação e aprendizado!"
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 1:28 PM, fredbezies <fredbezies@gmail.com> wrote:
I've read the wiki page for arch-install-scripts. It is not very "user-friendly". Any hope to see this "embedded" in a program, like good old arch/setup ?
Personally I think we would be better off with just these scripts + lots of documentation. If you are interested in an installer, then I guess the best solution is to get involved with the AIF and get it into shape again.
I'm not afraid of these scripts, but it could drive away some users which are not ready for a so "simplified" installation tool.
I think this is a good thing (once we have proper documentation). It forces users to understand how their system is set up, and how to fix it in case of problems. Unlike with other distributions (e.g. Ubuntu), I think this is a necessity when using Arch, and making this clear from the beginning should hopefully save both us and users from lots of grief. -t
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Personally I think we would be better off with just these scripts + lots of documentation. If you are interested in an installer, then I guess the best solution is to get involved with the AIF and get it into shape again.
Speaking of which: how can one get involved into the development of AIF? Is there something like a bug list for it? What needs to be done? Something different: how can one install a fresh system of Arch Linux using those scripts? Are these available on Archboot? Links to information online are greatly appreciated! Greetings, Christoph -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJQBAVzAAoJEOGIwUZuUxpnTccP/iexZsUSOWcysQP9zRmGO5/L 7vwoHDAheaKKf1psme5VY8572HVtdBC3ulYGIwSdHj/r2D4gNebdlg6pbnNPl/0r hQp+ACCEf8KwhBFrkCkHQWSFBsyF5pAmo9pd79PQe6qIyLZpRxBpgGxEDzgf/lZO 27e30R5vWX75sc8HHKMqsvG/nCUHmMPxLALINz0fl12yuwTPi1joMI/qn8mVBPlC DV+ks3g47+/lG7CFy3FflNZcwSlRVXAt0NwJK3PXaI9Lp7rlVJ6IIN92HW69fflo /ugSPf3u2asUa7TebrPdPDu48jBYFOFYv3alHt1jpVRHmqAsPppNADh+qXqAZh7e RG6PDMceMz+wd2iFP6izpZ04howiMBb6yCvCna8ydMfzs8AKO+dEpUb+nonYe/pr Qv4mCs2eGuJYvVbivtY500D6aoCrrsD98sSNz5i/fChtN6QfgwtZ5YxZtyEwCcdP 0GKnTQ6PGT+xb5vLxHAIhJ0CkCDPN4VZRiyfigR4ibDEvgAoWsCZ/5Ml8/d+BnnY zf2SJayNy0O9dUHB6yEYBpDnmc3f+Vax0rg2HqO2ekwGO/RsJcP5lxL4U9cnq6fW yRR3P2lEoHQBVWZA1NnnPZ08SA4Eo7XsARht3OfDJcTS03dALIKWGAyIe/IYK8m1 7RTVfu9WvD5eDISwqzsx =qHLx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
[2012-07-16 14:13:39 +0200] Christoph Vigano:
Speaking of which: how can one get involved into the development of AIF?
https://mailman.archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch-releng
Is there something like a bug list for it?
https://bugs.archlinux.org/index.php?project=6
Something different: how can one install a fresh system of Arch Linux using those scripts?
pacman -S arch-install-scripts https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_Install_Scripts Enjoy! -- Gaetan
[2012-07-16 13:28:00 +0200] fredbezies:
I'm not afraid of these scripts, but it could drive away some users which are not ready for a so "simplified" installation tool.
In view of the many issues and complaints related to the move from /lib to /usr/lib, it seems pretty clear to me that most people who are uncomfortable partitioning their disk manually (or unwilling to learn) will not grow to enjoy Arch as a distribution. -- Gaetan
Am Mon, 16 Jul 2012 13:28:00 +0200 schrieb fredbezies <fredbezies@gmail.com>:
Hello.
I've read the wiki page for arch-install-scripts. It is not very "user-friendly". Any hope to see this "embedded" in a program, like good old arch/setup ?
I'm not afraid of these scripts, but it could drive away some users which are not ready for a so "simplified" installation tool.
Archboot: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archboot https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=143541 It uses a working installer for quite everything. For complete systemd support next ISO would be better to use, I'm only waiting for core changes to calm down first. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org
On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 7:25 AM, Tobias Powalowski <tobias.powalowski@googlemail.com> wrote:
Am Mon, 16 Jul 2012 13:28:00 +0200 schrieb fredbezies <fredbezies@gmail.com>:
Hello.
I've read the wiki page for arch-install-scripts. It is not very "user-friendly". Any hope to see this "embedded" in a program, like good old arch/setup ?
I'm not afraid of these scripts, but it could drive away some users which are not ready for a so "simplified" installation tool.
Archboot: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archboot https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=143541
It uses a working installer for quite everything. For complete systemd support next ISO would be better to use, I'm only waiting for core changes to calm down first. greetings tpowa -- Tobias Powalowski Archlinux Developer & Package Maintainer (tpowa) http://www.archlinux.org tpowa@archlinux.org
out of curiousity, why doesn't archboot take AIF's place? it's always worked pretty good and i have long since use it exclusively. ... though i can certainly understand if the reason is not wanting to be driven or constrained by such burdens. -- C Anthony
Archboot: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Archboot https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=143541
It uses a working installer for quite everything. For complete systemd support next ISO would be better to use, I'm only waiting for core changes to calm down first. greetings tpowa
Preparing harddisk, like auto-prepare, partitioning, GUID (gpt) support, 4k sector drive support etc. Is there a an Archboot specific interface for auto-prepare like AIF or do you just feed fdisk/parted or something? -- ________________________________________________________ Why not do something good every day and install BOINC. ________________________________________________________
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C Anthony Risinger
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Christoph Vigano
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fredbezies
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Gaetan Bisson
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Kevin Chadwick
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Leandro Inacio
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Sven-Hendrik Haase
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Tobias Powalowski
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Tom Gundersen