[arch-general] XFCE broken with Gnome 3.8?
I picked up some Gnome package upgrades last night during a pacman update, and I haven't been able to log into XFCE ever since. It gets most of the way through the login process, then craps out and falls back to the session manager (LXDM). I'm not even able to see any debug information about what's going on. Anyone have a clue / pointer to a fix / workaround? Thanks, DR
On 22-04-2013 18:12, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
I picked up some Gnome package upgrades last night during a pacman update, and I haven't been able to log into XFCE ever since. It gets most of the way through the login process, then craps out and falls back to the session manager (LXDM). I'm not even able to see any debug information about what's going on.
Anyone have a clue / pointer to a fix / workaround?
XFCE is working fine here after update and reboot, I'm not using any login manager though. -- Mauro Santos
David Rosenstrauch wrote:
I picked up some Gnome package upgrades last night during a pacman update, and I haven't been able to log into XFCE ever since. It gets most of the way through the login process, then craps out and falls back to the session manager (LXDM). I'm not even able to see any debug information about what's going on.
Anyone have a clue / pointer to a fix / workaround?
Thanks,
DR Not sure how much this helps, but I've just aborted an upgrade, mainly because it looked as tough it was going to drag in most of gnome. Just looking at the direct gnome sutff, this is what I've been looking at:
gnome-desktop-1:3.8.1-1 gnome-dictionary-3.6.0-2 gnome-font-viewer-3.8.0-1 gnome-icon-theme-3.8.0-1 gnome-icon-theme-symbolic-3.8.0.1-1 gnome-keyring-3.8.1-1 gnome-screenshot-3.8.1-1 gnome-search-tool-3.6.0-2 gnome-system-log-3.8.1-1 gnome-system-monitor-3.8.0-1 gobject-introspection-1.36.0-1 lib32-pango-1.34.0-1 libgee-0.10.1-1 libgee06-0.6.8-1 libgnome-keyring-3.8.0-1 libsoup-gnome-2.40.3-1 [removal] libtracker-sparql-0.16.0-4 libusbx-1.0.15-1 Prior to this upgrade, I had gnome-utils installed - the extras seem to be baggage picked up by it. I'm going to have to work out whether its really needed - I've no desire to have a huge stack of gnome bloat on my nice Xfce system.... If you're having problems starting Xfce now, sounds like even more reason to refuse the upgrade. Paul.
On 04/22/2013 at 8:07 PM, "Paul Marwick"
I picked up some Gnome package upgrades last night during a
update, and I haven't been able to log into XFCE ever since. It gets most of the way through the login process, then craps out and falls back to the session manager (LXDM). I'm not even able to see any debug information about what's going on.
Anyone have a clue / pointer to a fix / workaround?
Thanks,
DR Not sure how much this helps, but I've just aborted an upgrade,
David Rosenstrauch wrote: pacman mainly because it looked as tough it was going to drag in most of gnome. Just looking at the direct gnome sutff, this is what I've been looking at:
gnome-desktop-1:3.8.1-1 gnome-dictionary-3.6.0-2 gnome-font- viewer-3.8.0-1 gnome-icon-theme-3.8.0-1 gnome-icon-theme-symbolic-3.8.0.1-1 gnome-keyring-3.8.1-1 gnome-screenshot-3.8.1-1 gnome-search-tool-3.6.0-2 gnome-system- log-3.8.1-1 gnome-system-monitor-3.8.0-1 gobject-introspection-1.36.0-1 lib32-pango-1.34.0-1 libgee-0.10.1-1 libgee06-0.6.8-1 libgnome-keyring-3.8.0-1 libsoup-gnome-2.40.3-1 [removal] libtracker-sparql-0.16.0-4 libusbx-1.0.15-1
Prior to this upgrade, I had gnome-utils installed - the extras seem to be baggage picked up by it. I'm going to have to work out whether its really needed - I've no desire to have a huge stack of gnome bloat on my nice Xfce system....
If you're having problems starting Xfce now, sounds like even more reason to refuse the upgrade.
Paul.
I'm running Xfce with LXDM and it works smoothly even with the new gnome version - tho the only packages from the gnome-group I have installed are those: narve ~ % pacman -Qg gnome [20:38:45 on 13-04-22] gnome gnome-icon-theme gnome gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome xdg-user-dirs-gtk Two of those are even dependencies for xfce4-settings, so they kinda "belong to the suite".. So it's either some breakage caused by other gnome packages or something completely different. Narve
On 04/22/2013 02:42 PM, Narve wrote:
I'm running Xfce with LXDM and it works smoothly even with the new gnome version - tho the only packages from the gnome-group I have installed are those:
narve ~ % pacman -Qg gnome [20:38:45 on 13-04-22] gnome gnome-icon-theme gnome gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome xdg-user-dirs-gtk
Two of those are even dependencies for xfce4-settings, so they kinda "belong to the suite".. So it's either some breakage caused by other gnome packages or something completely different.
Narve
It's something unique to my user settings, although I haven't been able to pin down exactly what yet. When I launch XFCE as a different user it works fine. That said, XFCE has been working fine with my configuration for months (years?), so it's actually rather frustrating to have it break like this. Thanks, DR
On 04/22/2013 11:05 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
On 04/22/2013 02:42 PM, Narve wrote:
I'm running Xfce with LXDM and it works smoothly even with the new gnome version - tho the only packages from the gnome-group I have installed are those:
narve ~ % pacman -Qg gnome [20:38:45 on 13-04-22] gnome gnome-icon-theme gnome gnome-icon-theme-symbolic gnome xdg-user-dirs-gtk
Two of those are even dependencies for xfce4-settings, so they kinda "belong to the suite".. So it's either some breakage caused by other gnome packages or something completely different.
Narve
It's something unique to my user settings, although I haven't been able to pin down exactly what yet. When I launch XFCE as a different user it works fine.
That said, XFCE has been working fine with my configuration for months (years?), so it's actually rather frustrating to have it break like this.
I feel your pain. I recently wanted to re-write the wiki because of issues I was having with ssh X forwarding. That's when a respondent insisted I review my settings because the wiki was correct. Sure enough, I found a directive in my .bashrc, a long-forgotten attempt to solve another problem, that was doing me in. The lesson I learned from that was to beware of carrying over a .bashrc for too many installations. You might start with the .bashrc of the "different user" you indicate worked and gradually start adding back commands as they exist in your existing .bashrc file. The same should be said of your .xinitrc and .Xresources files. There *is* a reason for why things go wrong even though we don't want to admit it's our fault sometimes! :-) Good luck. Kinney
On 22 April 2013 14:12, David Rosenstrauch
I picked up some Gnome package upgrades last night during a pacman update, and I haven't been able to log into XFCE ever since. It gets most of the way through the login process, then craps out and falls back to the session manager (LXDM). I'm not even able to see any debug information about what's going on.
Anyone have a clue / pointer to a fix / workaround?
Have you tried starting xfce without a login manager (with startx and stuff)? -- Alexandre Medeiros
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Have you tried starting xfce without a login manager (with startx and stuff)?
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On 04/22/2013 01:12 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
I picked up some Gnome package upgrades last night during a pacman update, and I haven't been able to log into XFCE ever since. It gets most of the way through the login process, then craps out and falls back to the session manager (LXDM). I'm not even able to see any debug information about what's going on.
Anyone have a clue / pointer to a fix / workaround?
Thanks,
DR
OK, I was finally able to pin this down. Apparently when I whack my XFCE session cache file (~/.cache/sessions/xfce4-session-daroselin:0) the problem goes away and I can start up XFCE no problem. But as soon as I save the session, creating a new session cache file, XFCE starts to crap out at startup. I'm not sure what in the session cache is causing the problem. The only slightly odd things that I'm running in my session that are getting saved to the cache file are qps, and kalarm (which then pull in a whole bunch of akonadi dependency crap). Workaround for now seems to be "never save my XFCE session", which fortunately isn't too much of a hardship for me, since I don't rely on it too heavily. DR
On 23-04-2013 06:01, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
On 04/22/2013 01:12 PM, David Rosenstrauch wrote:
I picked up some Gnome package upgrades last night during a pacman update, and I haven't been able to log into XFCE ever since. It gets most of the way through the login process, then craps out and falls back to the session manager (LXDM). I'm not even able to see any debug information about what's going on.
Anyone have a clue / pointer to a fix / workaround?
Thanks,
DR
OK, I was finally able to pin this down.
Apparently when I whack my XFCE session cache file (~/.cache/sessions/xfce4-session-daroselin:0) the problem goes away and I can start up XFCE no problem. But as soon as I save the session, creating a new session cache file, XFCE starts to crap out at startup.
I'm not sure what in the session cache is causing the problem. The only slightly odd things that I'm running in my session that are getting saved to the cache file are qps, and kalarm (which then pull in a whole bunch of akonadi dependency crap).
Workaround for now seems to be "never save my XFCE session", which fortunately isn't too much of a hardship for me, since I don't rely on it too heavily.
DR
I've had that problem a long time ago (a few years back) and since then I have stopped saving the session. It also took me some time to figure it out back then and now I always uncheck the save session checkbox to avoid problems. -- Mauro Santos
participants (7)
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Alexandre Medeiros
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David Benfell
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David Rosenstrauch
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Kinney Baughman
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Mauro Santos
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Narve
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Paul Marwick