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KSP Atlas

5 Dec 2021 5 Dec '21

8:53 a.m.

With the new kernel, Nvidia drivers will not work no matter what. nvidia does not load during boot, causing the nouveau driver to be loaded instead (nouveau, try not to break for 5 seconds) and nvidia-beta doesn't start the X server and you can't switch ttys, basically breaking your system unless you uninstall them via ssh or single user mode. I would get an AMD if miners cared about people other than themselves.

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Iyán Méndez Veiga

5 Dec 5 Dec

10:20 a.m.

Hi, On Sunday, 5 December 2021 17:53:32 CET KSP Atlas via arch-general wrote:

With the new kernel, Nvidia drivers will not work no matter what. nvidia does not load during boot, causing the nouveau driver to be loaded instead (nouveau, try not to break for 5 seconds) and nvidia-beta doesn't start the X server and you can't switch ttys, basically breaking your system unless you uninstall them via ssh or single user mode. I would get an AMD if miners cared about people other than themselves.

nvidia 495.44 is also broken in my system (both X11 and Wayland) with a GTX 1070. You can always install nvidia-470xx-dkms and everything else you need (e.g. nvidia-470xx-settings, opencl-nvidia-470xx) from AUR. Only be carefull with cuda and cudnn, because latest version require driver 495. But use previous release, and everything works just fine with linux 5.15. Cheers, Iyán -- Iyán Méndez Veiga GPG: 0x422E3694311E5AC1

Giancarlo Razzolini

6 Dec 6 Dec

4 a.m.

Em dezembro 5, 2021 13:53 KSP Atlas via arch-general escreveu:

With the new kernel, Nvidia drivers will not work no matter what. nvidia does not load during boot, causing the nouveau driver to be loaded instead (nouveau, try not to break for 5 seconds) and nvidia-beta doesn't start the X server and you can't switch ttys, basically breaking your system unless you uninstall them via ssh or single user mode. I would get an AMD if miners cared about people other than themselves.

You should probably do early loading [0]. Also, let's be respectful. [0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Early_loading

Iyán Méndez Veiga

4:09 a.m.

Hi Giancarlo, On Monday 6 December 2021 13:00:37 CET Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:

You should probably do early loading [0]. Also, let's be respectful.

[0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Early_loading

I've always done early loading, but still 495.44 is broken right now for me. At least with KDE Plasma. Cheers, Iyán -- Iyán Méndez Veiga GPG 0x422E3694311E5AC1

sL1pKn07 SpinFlo

5:03 a.m.

Hi works for me (plasma+wayland+GBM+nvidia 495.44) BUT, im still use a old kernel (5.15.2-arch1-1) greetings

Giancarlo Razzolini

5:26 a.m.

Em dezembro 6, 2021 9:09 Iyán Méndez Veiga via arch-general escreveu:

Hi Giancarlo,

On Monday 6 December 2021 13:00:37 CET Giancarlo Razzolini via arch-general wrote:

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You should probably do early loading [0]. Also, let's be respectful.

[0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/NVIDIA#Early_loading

I've always done early loading, but still 495.44 is broken right now for me. At least with KDE Plasma.

Cheers, Iyán

-- Iyán Méndez Veiga GPG 0x422E3694311E5AC1

The only way for nvidia to not be loaded if you're doing early loading, is if your nvidia modules are not on the initramfs in the first place, or old ones are there, which can't be loaded to a new kernel. All of this is easy to find out and fix. You can probably fix both by having a pacman hook to re-create the initramfs when only the nvidia module is updated. Regards, Giancarlo Razzolini

Bennett Piater

7:40 a.m.

On 2021-12-06 13:09, Iyán Méndez Veiga via arch-general wrote:

I've always done early loading, but still 495.44 is broken right now for me. At least with KDE Plasma.

Hi, as far as I remember, 495 dropped support for a few generations of GPUs. So if you're using relatively old hardware, you might be stuck downgrading to 475(?) or whatever the previous version was. And a compatible LTS kernel, but if you're on nvidia that's probably already what you're doing? Otherwise, you may want to switch to the open-source driver, as long as you don't need AAA gaming, CUDA or vulkan. Cheers, Bennett

Iyán Méndez Veiga

7:54 a.m.

Hi Bennett, On Monday 6 December 2021 16:40:28 CET Bennett Piater via arch-general wrote:

On 2021-12-06 13:09, Iyán Méndez Veiga via arch-general wrote:

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I've always done early loading, but still 495.44 is broken right now for me. At least with KDE Plasma.

Hi, as far as I remember, 495 dropped support for a few generations of GPUs.

I have a GTX 1070 which is (in theory) fully supported by nvidia, and I don't expect them to drop the support for a few more years. I mean, even the GeForce 700 Series are still supported (~8 years old) in the latest 495.44.

So if you're using relatively old hardware, you might be stuck downgrading to 475(?) or whatever the previous version was. And a compatible LTS kernel, but if you're on nvidia that's probably already what you're doing?

I'm using the latest kernel but the driver 470.86 from AUR (which is btw, the current production branch version).

Otherwise, you may want to switch to the open-source driver, as long as you don't need AAA gaming, CUDA or vulkan.

I do need CUDA. And also AAA gaming with 495 on Linux is a no go right now as well. I have two friends with a RTX 2060 and a RTX 3080 (yeah, they do exist apparently), and they cannot run Steam on the latest driver either. So, as I said, I think 495.44 is buggy, and 470.86 is fully compatible with linux 5.15.x. So anyone with issues should simply use the 470.xx packages from AUR until nvidia releases a new version. Cheers, Iyán -- Iyán Méndez Veiga GPG 0x422E3694311E5AC1

David Rosenstrauch

8:11 a.m.

On 12/6/21 10:54 AM, Iyán Méndez Veiga via arch-general wrote:

I have a GTX 1070 which is (in theory) fully supported by nvidia, and I don't expect them to drop the support for a few more years. I mean, even the GeForce 700 Series are still supported (~8 years old) in the latest 495.44.

So, as I said, I think 495.44 is buggy, and 470.86 is fully compatible with linux 5.15.x. So anyone with issues should simply use the 470.xx packages from AUR until nvidia releases a new version.

I've not heard anything about 495.44 being buggy. Rather, I think your issue is that that version of the driver no longer supports your card. I have a GTK 1050 Ti and it works fine; I just need to use the 470.86 version. You can see at the nvidia driver search/download site that your 1070 is only supported by the 470 version of the driver: https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/183575/en-us Install the following packages from AUR and you should be fine: libxnvctrl-470xx 470.86-1 nvidia-470xx-dkms 470.86-3 nvidia-470xx-settings 470.86-1 nvidia-470xx-utils 470.86-3 opencl-nvidia-470xx 470.86-3 DR

Iyán Méndez Veiga

8:40 a.m.

On Monday 6 December 2021 17:11:59 CET David Rosenstrauch via arch-general wrote:

On 12/6/21 10:54 AM, Iyán Méndez Veiga via arch-general wrote:

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I have a GTX 1070 which is (in theory) fully supported by nvidia, and I don't expect them to drop the support for a few more years. I mean, even the GeForce 700 Series are still supported (~8 years old) in the latest 495.44.

So, as I said, I think 495.44 is buggy, and 470.86 is fully compatible with linux 5.15.x. So anyone with issues should simply use the 470.xx packages from AUR until nvidia releases a new version.

I've not heard anything about 495.44 being buggy. Rather, I think your issue is that that version of the driver no longer supports your card. I have a GTK 1050 Ti and it works fine; I just need to use the 470.86 version.

Can you double check before saying nonsense? Of course the GTX 1070 is supported [1]. You just need to select "New Feature Branch" instead of "Production Branch" in those links you sent here. Your GTX 1050 Ti is also supported in the 495.44 by the way.

You can see at the nvidia driver search/download site that your 1070 is only supported by the 470 version of the driver:

https://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us https://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/183575/en-us

Not true.

Install the following packages from AUR and you should be fine:

libxnvctrl-470xx 470.86-1 nvidia-470xx-dkms 470.86-3 nvidia-470xx-settings 470.86-1 nvidia-470xx-utils 470.86-3 opencl-nvidia-470xx 470.86-3

Yes, I used those, but not for the reason you gave. Cheers, Iyán [1]: https://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/495.44/README/ supportedchips.html -- Iyán Méndez Veiga GPG 0x422E3694311E5AC1

Jon Irving

8:54 a.m.

Hey everyone On Mon, 06 Dec 2021 at 17:40:12 +0100, Iyán Méndez Veiga via arch-general wrote:

Can you double check before saying nonsense?

So much asshole. FWIW another point of information: 5.15.6-arch2-1 nvidia_drm 73728 12 nvidia_uvm 2564096 0 nvidia_modeset 1155072 19 nvidia_drm nvidia 36966400 944 nvidia_uvm,nvidia_modeset Name : nvidia-dkms Version : 495.44-6 Description : NVIDIA drivers - module sources Architecture : x86_64 URL : http://www.nvidia.com/ Licenses : custom Groups : None Provides : NVIDIA-MODULE Depends On : dkms nvidia-utils=495.44 libglvnd Optional Deps : None Required By : None Optional For : None Conflicts With : None Replaces : None Installed Size : 48.37 MiB Packager : Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig) Build Date : Sun 21 Nov 2021 01:42:16 AM Install Date : Sat 04 Dec 2021 05:00:19 PM Install Reason : Explicitly installed Install Script : No Validated By : Signature Thanks for toxic a fun time over the years, I need to get away from the Arch testosterone now. -- In this world / we walk on the roof of hell / gazing at flowers - Kobayashi Issa https://j0ni.ca ~ https://keybase.io/j0ni

Iyán Méndez Veiga

9:11 a.m.

Hi, On Monday 6 December 2021 17:54:40 CET Jon Irving via arch-general wrote:

Hey everyone

On Mon, 06 Dec 2021 at 17:40:12 +0100, Iyán Méndez Veiga via arch-general wrote:

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Can you double check before saying nonsense?

So much asshole.

Don't know why you got offended. I only said to double check things before sending misleading information. I wasn't rude or use any swear words (like you just did).

FWIW another point of information:

5.15.6-arch2-1

nvidia_drm 73728 12 nvidia_uvm 2564096 0 nvidia_modeset 1155072 19 nvidia_drm nvidia 36966400 944 nvidia_uvm,nvidia_modeset

Name : nvidia-dkms Version : 495.44-6 Description : NVIDIA drivers - module sources Architecture : x86_64 URL : http://www.nvidia.com/ Licenses : custom Groups : None Provides : NVIDIA-MODULE Depends On : dkms nvidia-utils=495.44 libglvnd Optional Deps : None Required By : None Optional For : None Conflicts With : None Replaces : None Installed Size : 48.37 MiB Packager : Jan Alexander Steffens (heftig) Build Date : Sun 21 Nov 2021 01:42:16 AM Install Date : Sat 04 Dec 2021 05:00:19 PM Install Reason : Explicitly installed Install Script : No Validated By : Signature

Can you elaborate on this? What is your point? And also, what GPU do you have? Probably not all cards are affected.

Thanks for toxic a fun time over the years, I need to get away from the Arch testosterone now.

...

-- In this world / we walk on the roof of hell / gazing at flowers - Kobayashi Issa

https://j0ni.ca ~ https://keybase.io/j0ni

Cheers, Iyán -- Iyán Méndez Veiga GPG 0x422E3694311E5AC1

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Bennett Piater
David Rosenstrauch
Giancarlo Razzolini
Iyán Méndez Veiga
Jon Irving
KSP Atlas
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