the main reason that i want to have my own primary DNS is that i want to have an "ISP Panel" that i'm building from scratch in python. thank you for your help! can you help me with the zones? i heared that you can manage BIND from a MySQL DB, is it true? archwiki page? (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:50 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:29 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

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I have a VPS and i want to set up a DNS server. first of all do i need a secondary NS? why? no money for second VPS...

It's not necessary from the technical point of view, but almost all registrars require at least two servers for reliability -- if there's only one server and it goes down, your entire domain (with subdomains, mail, web, everything) goes down.

However, there are several free secondary NS services:

- https://dns.he.net/ - http://freedns.afraid.org/ - http://www.buddyns.com/ - http://www.zoneedit.com/ - Others, google.

Some VPS hosts, such as Linode, also offer secondary NS for customers.

(Most of them also offer primary NS, but it's usually managed through a crappy web UI, so let your own server be primary.)

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also can ANYONE explain me the zones in detail? i've read the wiki a lot of times...

If you could please ask something more specific...

-- Mantas Mikulėnas

no, not web UI... ncurses UI :) lack of features? what features? a DNS is a Domain Name Server! it can't serve domains? xD i can't imagine any feature apart from connectivity (mysql, zones etc.) and performance (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:00 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:54 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

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can you help me with the zones?

Sure.

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i heared that you can manage BIND from a MySQL DB, is it true?

There's a BIND driver for that, http://mysql-bind.sourceforge.net/, but I never got around to trying it.

There also is MyDNS http://mydns.bboy.net/ (and MyDNS-ng http://www.mydns-ng.com/), an entire DNS server written to use MySQL from the beginning. It seems to severely lack features, though.

At least for editing zone files, I personally find a text editor (Vim) more convenient than a web UI.

-- Mantas Mikulėnas

ok, but i need only A,MX,NS records, master server and MySQL what are forwaders? (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:19 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

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no, not web UI... ncurses UI :)

Ah, better.

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lack of features? what features? a DNS is a Domain Name Server! it can't serve domains? xD i can't imagine any feature apart from connectivity (mysql, zones etc.) and performance

Sure, it can serve domains. But there /is/ more than that:

various storage formats (flat files, MySQL, LDAP, Active Directory); replication (IXFR, multi-master); less-common record types (SSHFP, SRV, CERT, HINFO, or arbitrary types); protocol features (NOTIFY and EDNS); security (TKEY, DNSSEC, DLV); dynamic updates (plain and secure, manual or integrated with dhcpd); DNS64 translation; forwarder zones... even such basics as performing recursive lookups (for putting in resolv.conf) and ability to be a secondary server (which MyDNS cannot).

[Also, technically "DNS" means Domain Name *System*, not "Server".]

-- Mantas Mikulėnas

hmm, that's good... no mydns? (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:43 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:22 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

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what are forwaders?

A feature where you configure a DNS server to forward certain queries to another server instead of replying by itself. (Like a proxy.)

-- Mantas Mikulėnas

wow... do you have any resource that explains the zones in detail and so that i can actually understand and learn them? also guide for setting up mydns? or it works out of the box? (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas wrote:

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

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hmm, that's good... no mydns?

MyDNS appears to be unmaintained, but it fits your requirements.

Still, I would recommend learning basic DNS first, without the additional complexity of SQL. Host your domain for a while using BIND, NSD, or MaraDNS until you can remember the SOA record fields at five in the morning, *then* set up MySQL.

-- Mantas Mikulėnas

i didn't understand the "PS" as explained above, google didn't help me... try not to flame... -- (\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.) On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:08 AM, Leonidas Spyropoulos wrote:

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

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wow... do you have any resource that explains the zones in detail and so that i can actually understand and learn them? also guide for setting up mydns? or it works out of the box?

Hello Dimitri,

A simple google search about 'DNS Zones explained' returns a lot of results, also check the zone_file entry in wikipedia.

PS: take a look at this: A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is it such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?

and please use two dashes over your signature if possible so that email clients (and users) can detect that's after that point it's your signature and not something related to the post.

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(\_ /) copy the bunny to your profile (0.o ) to help him achieve world domination. (> <) come join the dark side. /_|_\ (we have cookies.)

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:52 PM, Mantas Mikulėnas

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On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 11:45 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

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hmm, that's good... no mydns?

MyDNS appears to be unmaintained, but it fits your requirements.

Still, I would recommend learning basic DNS first, without the additional complexity of SQL. Host your domain for a while using BIND, NSD, or MaraDNS until you can remember the SOA record fields at five in the morning, *then* set up MySQL.

-- Mantas Mikulėnas

-- Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health.

#include int main(){printf("%s","\x4c\x65\x6f\x6e\x69\x64\x61\x73");}

so you want an email like: Q A ??? sorry, next time i will ask questions and wait for an answer... i can' correct the signature right now... On Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM, "Ralf Mardorf" wrote:

On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:20 +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote:

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i didn't understand the "PS"

Irony?

Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Answer: Top-posting. Question: Why is it such a bad thing? Answer: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

Regarding to the signature, shouldn't it be two dashes + a space? "-- "

-- Ralf

i just understood... On Jun 13, 2012 12:38 AM, "David J. Haines" wrote:

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:35:00AM +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote:

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so you want an email like: Q A ??? sorry, next time i will ask questions and wait for an answer... i can' correct the signature right now... On Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"

wrote:

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On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:20 +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote:

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i didn't understand the "PS"

Irony?

Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Answer: Top-posting. Question: Why is it such a bad thing? Answer: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

Regarding to the signature, shouldn't it be two dashes + a space? "--

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-- Ralf

No, we just want you to respond to prior e-mails like I am: at the bottom of the string, not the top. -- David J. Haines djhaines@gmx.com understood... i use gmail from desktop and its a problem

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:49 PM, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

On Jun 13, 2012 12:46 AM, "Δημήτρης Ζέρβας" <01ttouch@gmail.com> wrote:

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i just understood...

On Jun 13, 2012 12:38 AM, "David J. Haines" wrote:

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On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 12:35:00AM +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote:

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so you want an email like: Q A ??? sorry, next time i will ask questions and wait for an answer... i can' correct the signature right now... On Jun 13, 2012 12:29 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"

wrote:

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On Wed, 2012-06-13 at 00:20 +0300, Δημήτρης Ζέρβας wrote:

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i didn't understand the "PS"

Irony?

Question: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail? Answer: Top-posting. Question: Why is it such a bad thing? Answer: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.

Regarding to the signature, shouldn't it be two dashes + a space?

"-- "

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-- Ralf

No, we just want you to respond to prior e-mails like I am: at the bottom of the string, not the top. -- David J. Haines djhaines@gmx.com understood... i use gmail from desktop and its a problem

oh god, conversation fucked up... i responded top and then bottom and now i see the quoted text!!! and your signature! FU gmail!

It is true gmail is very bad for mailing lists, this is why many use an email client. Also gmail is bad if you care about security this is why many use their own email server.. so again email client. (and this is the point when you buy a VPS) :P Gmail doesn't support encrypting your emails (for obvious reasons) so many use email client. I just noticed I could have used a variable for the string: 'many use an email client' -- Caution: breathing may be hazardous to your health. #include int main(){printf("%s","\x4c\x65\x6f\x6e\x69\x64\x61\x73");}

Q: What's the most annoying thing in an e-mail? A: On Tuesday, June 12, 2012 at 3:27:49 PM, Somebody Nu wrote:

On Monday, June 11, 2012 at 7:28:46 AM, Yesterdays Child wrote:

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----- Original Message ----- From: Remember Me Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2012 at 11:37:15 PM

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This is the original question I asked on this list. And this is its fourth showing. This is a response I gave, and I really hope it gets a third look. I also responded to the original post, and I bet somebody's even going to leave the signatures and list footers in the message before posting a helpful one-line response all the way down at the bottom.

-- here is a really cool signature that I hope everyone reads again and again. Lovely. I gave my signature a second line. Wait, there's a third line with a http://link.to.my.informative.blog.com

-- List Footer Mailing List http://www.mailinglists.com/mailman/listinfo/listfooter.html To unsubscribe, go to http://www.mailinglists.com/mailman/listinfo/listfooter-unsubscribe.html or send a blank e-mail to listfooter-request@mailinglists.com with "unsubscribe" in the subject. Now here comes my rather enlightening remark, finaly. Hey, I made you scroll all the way down to the bottom of this one. I hope you are reading this on a mobile phone. Aren't I a good bottom poster? Q: Why is this a bad thing? A: People read e-mail many different ways on many different devices. The mobile phone is one example of a commonly used device for reading e-mail these days. Although people seem to enjoy staring at that little screen all day long for everything in the world, those teeny tiny screens are much harder to read than even the blurry fuzzy green screens from the past. Unfortunately, until I can get my computer working again, I am using my mobile phone exclusively for reading my e-mail, and worse still, my phone uses speech, because I also happen to be visually impaired. I don't really have the time to scroll down one line at a time, and most other people don't really have the time to scroll down 5 lines at a time wading through tons upon tons of wrotes, original messages, times and dates, angle brackets and messages we have already read as many as 10 times or more to get to the likely helpful answer all the way at the bottom of all that quoting. Likewise, all that quoting at the bottom of a helpful response is also rather bad, but it is certainly easier to ignore unless there is a specific reference to a potentially forgotten part of the quoted message.

As a general rule, top posting and bottom posting should both be avoided. Whenever I post a response to a message, I *only* quote if I feel that there is something to be gained from reading the exact words of the OP again, usually to answer specific questions in a sort of Q/A format or to respond to specific points in a message one point at a time. Otherwise, I completely turn off quoting and state my response in such a way that no one has to read the original post over again in an attempt to figure out what in the world I'm talking about. This usually saves a lot of people a lot of headaches and a lot of time in the end. The reader will note that aside from the bogus quoting near the top of this message, I have not felt the need to include any real quoting in this message, but most people will certainly be able to deduce the context, even though this message is a response to the whole top vs bottom posting fireworks rather than the original post regarding DNS servers. ~Kyle -- Kyle is a droid. The whole world knows it. This e-mail shows it.

On Wed, Jun 13, 2012 at 3:52 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

I like to encourage people not to use their Android, iThingy, MS web thingy or wristwatch when writing to Linux home computer mailing lists, as long as those things cause issues and the topic shouldn't be urgent. If a MUA force you to CC, the way you need to post etc., I wonder why people use such bad software. Seems to be the first step before the MUAs include chatbods that force the contend of the emails body.

2 Cents, Ralf

I use Android and gmail myself, and none of the Android clients 'force' you to post in a particular way. In the stock Gmail client you can edit inline with one button press.... which is why I've never understood the protestations of those who say they're 'forced' to do something by their provider/software. Unless, of course, being too lazy to delete some lines by holding the backspace key counts as being 'forced'.

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do you have any resource that explains the zones in detail and so that i can actually understand and learn them? also guide for setting up mydns? or it works out of the box?

I recently setup some name servers using BIND and found this to be a must have resource. http://www.amazon.com/DNS-BIND-5th-Edition-Cricket/dp/0596100574/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339535864&sr=8-1 Squall

thank you! does it take ages to read?

It's a big book but you only "need" chapter 4 and 5 to get setup. It's worth checking out. -- Yesterday is history. Tomorrow is a mystery. Today is a gift. That's why its called the present. Headmaster Squall :: The Wired/Section-9 Close the world txen eht nepo $3R14L 3XP3R1M3NT$ #L41N http://twitter.com/headmastersqual

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Some VPS hosts, such as Linode, also offer secondary NS for customers.

Linode is nicer than that. They supply name services for all my domains quite regardless of how many IP addresses I have or how big a Linode I have. The data is replicated on four servers, more than enough to satisfy any registrar I've ever heard of. - -- David Benfell benfell@parts-unknown.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJP174LAAoJELT202JKF+xp/aQP/0CRjINi1WfrLB/ussudL3Gl xrp60ue+IyFlx2QzypBQgbYDHQX6JaBo436iD+MR1p43Y0q9ISRkNsPMbOlhoBOb Guj7+uOYgps39ZUmgZi7wbRiXtfSiysvH4TkHq9DeQEHmrJVM7dILrD0L9RqJ0F8 es6ZMDxEr5Od7MFWUSLIQ9nSLbXHTCTFFCZPZxBNsqNmNmaa5VrxkzjIjGUQSEmV ygt4Nw8Xp+HcEZoQT7lSMEfbwwYZQKmAqJhtzNaMsR0yffcjQlCPmcz/2egIlAIT b3BEqZcYjB9Gl8I1HGxQWw40Xctlj85liwkmcKpX79/l5kKkHs41R3uN3vNZkLxa RQiRJYabfQvH0MLsY+WUlms8ekSfX3nsGEvwmuUBrEgAxibzo/fyIp1gVLYpLIoT jZ9OWRK0poszIsyx8A4ZHXd2dPPR+DguCjRuyg5PeEIWn36wlUZrimBhXsyg3scF EnpLSy2lyE/11cztwy5smh+P2iq8AELMoMEPvTTubvMVGIr/TqWm0WSaLOAx6qeN 2AyUUQk87RWKJ+bowCOCK5j82XBrCtPOFhHtv7xvf8bZePfBSpfwKCuvP+5FMaal niCJ7+WqnRVHPn/UOjlvpUDGt97XFTvMQrp1ajnZIWcMdj5gfHXRsbtLRyK4HmEA si1Aj0PolINk+wNCmMn7 =06In -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----