The system is only a c.l.i. system so far since I first get the command line working then get interested in g.u.i. later maybe. I'll adjust those timeouts down to about 20. The first time I got archlinux to boot it said it failed to create a secured or secure file system so it may be possible I should have left it alone for a while once I tried to reboot the drive. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- jude <jdashiel@shellworld.net> Adobe fiend for failing to Flash